All Dogs Go To Paradox

[GingaDensetsuAleu]

Rick has firmly established that All Dogs Go To Heaven makes all Dogs cry in the House pets! universe.

But don't think too hard about that, because what's the plot of All Dogs Go To Heaven?

A dog kidnaps a little girl who can talk to animals and uses her ability to make lots of money.

Which doesn't make sense in a universe WHERE ALL ANIMALS TALK. It's a logical break. Ann-Marie's whole character exists because she's the only human who can speak to animals. But animals speak English. So why is she even there?

I thought it and now I can't unthink it. HELP.

[Amazee Dayzee]

I am sure that the plot has changed somewhat in that she can do something else no one else can do with animals. Plus Charlie redeems himself in the end if I am following the movie correctly.

[NHWestoN]

An old farmer once told me that all farm animals speak english - they just have very limited vocabularies and really thick accents. One of his cows was a holstein, though, and I always wondered if her language was enhlish, german, or possibly danish.

[TyVulpintaur]

Anne Marie can speak to animals, but other people can't. That's how Carface was able to shift the odds in his favor on the races at his casino (and later Charlie and Itchy do the same thing). Though, she can't talk to all animals, particularly the sewer rats, as she says she can't understand them, as they 'talk funny'.

[Amazee Dayzee]

But i think the point Ginga was making was that if animals can talk in the Housepets! universe and everybody can understand them, what is the point of Anne Marie in this universe's version of the movie? I was saying that I think in this version of the movie that she can do something with animals nobody else can do which is why she was sought out.

[GingaDensetsuAleu]

Or the movie is exactly the same and the movie just takes place in some hypothetical universe where animals don't talk. That is also an option.

Also I recently found out something about that movie that's gonna make ME cry every time I watch it from now on as well. That final scene where Charlie is saying goodbye to Anne-Marie? Charlie's lines were recorded AFTER Anne-Marie's actress died. It took him six hours to get a useable take, and he still chokes up in the take they used.

[TyVulpintaur]

Or the movie is exactly the same and the movie just takes place in some hypothetical universe where animals don't talk. That is also an option.

Also I recently found out something about that movie that's gonna make ME cry every time I watch it from now on as well. That final scene where Charlie is saying goodbye to Anne-Marie? Charlie's lines were recorded AFTER Anne-Marie's actress died. It took him six hours to get a useable take, and he still chokes up in the take they used.

And the end credits song Love Survives was written after Judith's death in her memory.

[NHWestoN]

Anne Marie can speak to animals, but other people can't. That's how Carface was able to shift the odds in his favor on the races at his casino (and later Charlie and Itchy do the same thing). Though, she can't talk to all animals, particularly the sewer rats, as she says she can't understand them, as they 'talk funny'.

Maybe they have "gutter" accents.

[Amazee Dayzee]

I can never really watch anything that has any work by Judith Barsi in it now that I know what happened to her. It just gets me angry and even more so because the person that did this escaped punishment by ending things on his own terms.

[NHWestoN]

I can never really watch anything that has any work by Judith Barsi in it now that I know what happened to her. It just gets me angry and even more so because the person that did this escaped punishment by ending things on his own terms.

As a friend of mine in family services often said, "What gets promised doesn't always get done, but what gets relentlessly checked does."

[Amazee Dayzee]

Wished that somebody checked more on her and her mother. Alas it is too late now and all we have is what could have been.

[NHWestoN]

Wished that somebody checked more on her and her mother. Alas it is too late now and all we have is what could have been.

It's tragic. Family services programs throughout this country are understaffed, under funded, and overwhelmed. We've had some real horrors here in NH that have gotten national level attention ... but what's changed? Sigh.

[Amazee Dayzee]

At some point I am going to have to look into watching this movie to see the whole plot. i just have a feeling I will be like every dog that watches it and burst in tears. I can be really emotional sometimes.

[GingaDensetsuAleu]

Oh, it's a lovely movie. Lots of great music. It starts out with the murder of the main character 20 minutes in.

[Amazee Dayzee]

Saying it's a lovely movie and then pointing out that a character ends up murdered several minutes in could be seen as being a bit of a contradiction. Also I didn't know there were a lot of sequels to it.

[GingaDensetsuAleu]

Well he doesn't STAY murdered. He goes to heaven for a little bit. That's how we know that all dogs go there.
I only knew about one sequel and a TV show, is there more?

[D-Rock]

The finale to the tv show was basically a made-for-tv movie. It was a Christmas special,

[GingaDensetsuAleu]

I think I saw that. They did Christmas Carol on Carface.

[NHWestoN]

Wonder if they'll do it again. They've brought back a number of specials that got shelved years ago because they feared someone would be offended.

[NHWestoN]

Wonder if they'll do it again. They've brought back a number of specials that got shelved years ago because they feared someone would be offended. "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer" is one, even though it supposably has more triggers lurking than a firing squad. Odd, they never tried to ban the song since the lyrics structure the plot.

Tried to delete the stub above. Gave up.
Insert your favorite explative exaspertions here but do adhere to PG-13 guidelines.

[Amazee Dayzee]

Political correctness does run rampant sometimes and can ruin things that we once held dear in our childhood. I am all for trying not to offend people but I don't think we have to forget about the shows we grew up with and condemn then if people take offense to the shows for some reason.

[NHWestoN]

Pair-a-Dogs?

[Amazee Dayzee]

That is a funny play on words honestly and I am surprised that it was never used in the comic at any point. God knows that there were several instances where it would have been appropriate to use it honestly.

[GingaDensetsuAleu]

No idea what you're talking about

[Amazee Dayzee]

That definitely would have made a great alternate title to that strip back then as it had two Peanuts at that moment meaning it would have been quite a paradox for there two be two of them at the same time. Yeah I get that I am explaining it and probably badly but just felt like I had to as its a compulsion.

[TyVulpintaur]

I think I saw that. They did Christmas Carol on Carface.

The Christmas Future bit always gets me, though.
Itchy is Christmas Past, totally fine.
Sasha is Christmas Present, also acceptable.
But Charlie as Christmas Future, and sings "Clean Up Your Act"?? Charlie is a scoundrel and less-than-stellar example of one that should be singing "Clean Up Your Act", considering Charlie's history and even present, with his own constant get-rich-quick scheming.

[NHWestoN]

I still smile at the genius of Disney using Peg-Leg Pete as the "Ghost of Christmas Future" in their version of Christmas Carol. Uncle Scrooge was the natural for the lead, but ol'Pete - sometimes identified as Disney's first named character - was hilarious (and genuinely ominous).

[Amazee Dayzee]

I actually remember seeing that version of "A Christmas Carol" 2 decades ago when I had a VHS tape of a Disney holiday special so it always stuck out to me. Though I honestly think the versions where Scrooge DOESN'T get sent to a fiery abyss or meet a gruesome fate to be far more effective as we see the old man wailing at his grave.

[D-Rock]

I think I saw that. They did Christmas Carol on Carface.

The Christmas Future bit always gets me, though.
Itchy is Christmas Past, totally fine.
Sasha is Christmas Present, also acceptable.
But Charlie as Christmas Future, and sings "Clean Up Your Act"?? Charlie is a scoundrel and less-than-stellar example of one that should be singing "Clean Up Your Act", considering Charlie's history and even present, with his own constant get-rich-quick scheming.

To be fair, Charlie could be a great example of cleaning up one’s act, if it weren’t for the fact that every entry up until the special, and I count every episode of the series as an entry, didn’t have his character regress for the sake of plot.

[Amazee Dayzee]

Is the television show canon with the movie itself so events that happened in it are a continuation? If so, is Charlie still alive since he got to come back?

[GingaDensetsuAleu]

I believe the show actually picks up after the second movie. I know it has Sasha in it.

[Amazee Dayzee]

Haven't watched any of the media because besides the fact that I would have to say goodbye to Charlie (even if it is temporary), I still would have to deal with the fact that one of the voice actors lost her life in a murder-suicide by her whack job of a father. All I want to know is if Charlie stays alive if the movies and the show are connected.

[TyVulpintaur]

Is the television show canon with the movie itself so events that happened in it are a continuation? If so, is Charlie still alive since he got to come back?

The show is considered canon, and the Christmas special is considered the series finale for the TV series.

I believe the show actually picks up after the second movie. I know it has Sasha in it.

Correct, and even features David in at least one episode.

[Amazee Dayzee]

So then Charlie died, went to heaven, came back, went to Heaven again ("Goodbye Charlie") then came back? He might as well be a soap opera character the amount of times he died and came back. LOL

[GingaDensetsuAleu]

In the first movie, Charlie is hit by a car 20 minutes in abd goes to heaven. In heaven, he steals a watch that represents his life and winds it back up, which brings him back to life, but he's warned that he can never come back. At the end of the movie, he drops the watch to the bottom of the bay while saving a little girl. The watch ceases to function, and he dies again and goes to the bad place. He's allowed to come back as a ghost to say goodbye to the little girl, and heaven rescues him.
The second movie picks up a couple years later when Itchy arrives at heaven. Scarface steals Gabriel's Horn, which when played can open anything. The devil plans to use the horn to drag all the angels out of heaven, so Charlie and Itchy volunteer to go down to earth to find it. Charlie's not planning to actually look, he just wants to live it up and get a bunch of vices. He eventually makes a deal with the devil for another life, then loses that life when he helps defeat the devil and rescue heaven. He's rewarded with a new life and allowed to stay on earth.
The TV show picks up at some time after that with Itchy being deposited on earth to help do good for the world, and he and Charlie live together in an abandoned building.

[Amazee Dayzee]

That does absolutely NOTHING to dissuade me that he wouldn't be at home on a soap opera in the Housepets! universe if the movie and show hadn't already been shown to be the same movie and show already as in our world it is. I dare say that the movie and show could absolutely be turned into a soap opera ITSELF if it wasn't already established.

[D-Rock]

Dude escaped heaven because he thought he’d get bored. Realized Heaven was worth it. Then decided that Heaven is too boring. And then there was the series that for the most part reversed any character development for plot reasons.

Though another bit of weirdness was the character design changes in Charlie. He got a completely different color palette for the series. Here’s the weird part; he was already simplified for the second movie. The series uses clips of the second movie for the theme song. His series design is different from that.

[GingaDensetsuAleu]

Well, TV animation has basically no budget.

[Amazee Dayzee]

Its also funny to know that he also had FOUR different actors playing him in each of the different appearances that he shows up in. The first movie he was voiced by Burt Reynolds, second movie he was voiced by Charlie Sheen, Jesse Corti was his singing voice in the second movie and Steven Weber was his voice in the TV series and "An All Dogs Christmas Carol". I understand why they changed voice actors (I can't see Burt Reynolds doing a cartoon series and Charlie Sheen might have been too expensive and couldn't sing) but not sure why they changed his design between the movies and show.

[GingaDensetsuAleu]

It was minor changes that were probably caused by the animation department trying to simplify him to make him cheaper to animate.
He's a german shepherd. In the first movie, he was brown, with dark brown on his ears and in a stripe down his back, and tan on his belly. He was designed to look a little dirty, and he had a spot that looked like a mole on one cheek.
In the second movie, his colors were richer, and he'd lost the mole. The space around his eyes and muzzle, which in the first movie had been between his main color and the color on his back, was now the same color as his stripe, a chocolate brown, with tan for his main color, and his belly was almost sand colored. He was meant to look a little cleaner and brighter because the backgrounds in the second movie were a lot brighter than in the first movie, even pastels in the heaven scenes.
For the TV show, he had smoother lineart instead of them showing any fluff in his fur, again to make it cheaper and quicker to animate. His belly was almost cream colored, with the rest of his colors looking washed out. His stripe was tan, and his main color was a sandy brown. In indoor scenes, his stripe looked almost black and his other colors looked colored over with orange. In addition, the coloring from his stripe and ears now continued to meet the color of his eyes and muzzle at a point under his eye and met over his eyes, removing a ring of his main color that had been separating the two colors.