2015/12/25 - Idylls Of The King

[tsMKG]

The age thing is very complicated on Housepets!

Fox's age is particularly breaking my mind.

[Zhiro]

Hold everything!! Just to be safe before any possible error that could be made. Why do all the puppies have floppy ears? Both there parents have pointy ears not floppy.

Basically, all dog breeds with pointed ears have floppy ears that take some month before they straighten up, though sometimes that doesn't happen. Sasha is one of those dogs

Ok thats good. One more thing just to clarify. I think I may already know. The puppy on the red box. Is he/she fur a inverted and darken color of her father? That pups fur color seems a little far off from his/her parents.

[valerio]

Ok thats good. One more thing just to clarify. I think I may already know. The puppy on the red box. Is he/she fur a inverted and darken color of her father? That pups fur color seems a little far off from his/her parents.

Olive shows the colors of her daddy, only in different patterns. Unless talking about dogs who are specifically purebred, it is not mandatory that the offspring reflects both parents' (or one of them) fur patterns. So it is *perfectly* normal that Olive shows her dad's colors, but not the same pattern

[Amazee Dayzee]

I get the names Olive and Rook, but Ace doesn't come off as particularly feminine to me.

[Dissension]

I know a young woman who goes by Ace.

[Welsh Halfwit]

I know a young woman who goes by Ace.

Is she a 'real card'?

Or a former companion of a Time travelling profess... Doctor?

[CosmicCoyote]

Hold everything!! Just to be safe before any possible error that could be made. Why do all the puppies have floppy ears? Both there parents have pointy ears not floppy.

Basically, all dog breeds with pointed ears have floppy ears that take some month before they straighten up, though sometimes that doesn't happen. Sasha is one of those dogs

Ok thats good. One more thing just to clarify. I think I may already know. The puppy on the red box. Is he/she fur a inverted and darken color of her father? That pups fur color seems a little far off from his/her parents.

It's easier to see when King's laying down, but he's got plenty of black and brown. The real difference between him and Olive is that her black extends further on her body and head. Otherwise she matches King - black back, white front and brown in between.

[Keeshah]

And finally, after a long ordeal, fighting for everything, King receives his stubby-legged puppies <3

But. Why do all the puppies have floppy ears like Bino has!?


Huskies an corgis have tall standing ears

[Welsh Halfwit]

And finally, after a long ordeal, fighting for everything, King receives his stubby-legged puppies <3

But. Why do all the puppies have floppy ears like Bino has!?


Huskies an corgis have tall standing ears

See Rick's answer. https://www.housepetscomic.com/forums/v ... 79#p729279

[valerio]

And finally, after a long ordeal, fighting for everything, King receives his stubby-legged puppies <3

But. Why do all the puppies have floppy ears like Bino has!?


Huskies an corgis have tall standing ears

as puppies all dogs are floppy-eared. ALL of them

[Furryface18]

Finally! *passes out from adorableness*

[D-Rock]

So many people are posting that haven't been around. I wonder what the occasion is,

This tends to happen with King-centered arcs.

[SuperStar]

So many people are posting that haven't been around. I wonder what the occasion is,

This tends to happen with King-centered arcs.

Yeah, I know,

[Buster]

No, just no. No no no no no.
Did I mention no?

But can we consider this for a second? Olive doesn't resemble King or Bailey.

I know it's probably not genetically correct, but she resembles Bailey, but with a mix of brown to the dark gray.

This comic has Grape in it. Cats with purple fur are impossible. Genetics can take a hike.

It's probably going by cartoon logic on how heredity works.

[Dissension]

Cats with purple fur are impossible.

no

[Not A Furry]

Cats with purple fur are impossible.

no

We hace a saying in spain: "Eres más raro que un perro verde"(You're weirder than a green dog) though sometimes the color is purple (morado) and the dog is a cat.

[Argent]

As far as I'm concerned and am proven wrong. Those puppies have the souls of Dragon and Pete in them.

I think GK is the "teaching people a lesson" type of trickster, not the "really a bit of a jerk" kind. And I suspect he considers style worth at least 8/10 points.

Putting Pete and Dragon into the puppies would be *tacky*. I could see Pete doing that. Not GK.

as puppies all dogs are floppy-eared. ALL of them

Newborns, maybe, but these are four months old. Adjusting for HP! animals, Google Image Searches for "two month old husky puppies" and "two month old corgi puppies" don't show many floppy ears.

[Carlitosfmc]

Hahaha, I loved those puppies, so cute!

Nice story, and more members for the wolf family!

Now I want to see how other characters from the neighborhood react, specially Fox

[drivernjax]

Hahaha, I loved those puppies, so cute!

Nice story, and more members for the wolf family!

Now I want to see how other characters from the neighborhood react, specially Fox

Nah, Bino. You KNOW how much he loves King.

[SuperStar]

Hahaha, I loved those puppies, so cute!

Nice story, and more members for the wolf family!

Now I want to see how other characters from the neighborhood react, specially Fox

Judging how 4 months zwipped by, I'm sure they've all already reacted.

[MrBlueSky7]

I still feel bad for the Doctor that King called in. I mean, what was the point of even having that guy around if the Wolves were all confident in doing it themselves in the first place?

[D-Rock]

...though this talk about ages does make me wonder. Is King a 20-something year old dog? Or is he the equivalent to a 20-something year old would be as a dog?

I believe it was stated a while ago that he's the equivalent of a human in their 20s.

Lets make some very general statements about that now. Last I checked (which was a long while ago), the average human lifespan is 80 years. Pets in this universe live 40 if well cared for.

Let's assume that Joel was very early twenties, that's a quarter of his life. So with that, the easy answer is that King is around 10 years old. Of course, that's assuming that the maturity rate remains proportional as well.

I still feel bad for the Doctor that King called in. I mean, what was the point of even having that guy around if the Wolves were all confident in doing it themselves in the first place?

Remember the fact that King was human. If a couple decided to give birth in their own home (honestly, wouldn't doubt that there are those that want to do that), a concerned spouse is likely to at least bring in a medical professional. Heck, I wouldn't doubt that a normal pet owner would do the same for a whelping pet. The wolves had instinct on their side, but King wanted to be on the safe side. It just became a case of instinct vs. acquired knowledge.

[SuperStar]

Let's assume that Joel was very early twenties, that's a quarter of his life. So with that, the easy answer is that King is around 10 years old. Of course, that's assuming that the maturity rate remains proportional as well.

No. Because 1 year is 3.5 years for a pet, that is Rickonfirmed. So King would be more around 5-7. If he was 10 then he'd be 35.

[D-Rock]

That is a piece of information that I missed.

[Amazee Dayzee]

If 1 human year is 3.5 pet years, and Joel is in his early 20s (say 23), then King would be 80.5. So I'm not sure what you mean when you say that 1 human year is 3.5 pet years.

[Gesque]

In my opinion, there's some strong evidence in this comic that Pete and Dragon were reincarnated into Bailey and King's puppies. But before I mention why, I need to bring up this comic from 2014, Meanwhile in Heaven. Here, we see Dragon refer to Pete as, "his big sister." Sort of weird line, because whether or not Pete and Dragon are related isn't brought up in the comic prior to this strip. That's somewhat important.

Flash back to 2015, and we see King and Bailey have three puppies. The firstborn is Olive, a girl. The secondborn is Ace, also a girl. The final child is Rook, King's only son.

• The obvious connections in names are to King; Ace and King are both cards in a deck, while King and Rook are both chess pieces. (As someone else in the thread mentioned, the Rook and the King piece have a special maneuver in chess that they can only preform together. I believe the term is "castling," but I'm a fairly novice chess player.) Of course, these names don't draw a connection to Spirit Dragon or Pete. OR DO THEY?!
• Olive is a shade of green. The shade that is almost identical (if not wholly identical) to Dragon's body. You can compare a panel of Dragon to the color olive for yourself. To me, all of these "coincidences" seem to point at the fact that Dragon was reincarnated into Olive.
• Rook is the only boy in the group, and he's also the youngest by several minutes/seconds. This means that Pete would have likely been reincarnated into Rook, which would mean that there's GK-levels of irony in "Pete's" new name. Think about it: Pete named Joel "King," and now King just named Pete "Rook." If the theory is true, this also means that Dragon is still Pete's older sister. (Even if its only by a short period of time.) Not to mention the whole, "Rookeries are a mideval part of a castle where hawks and carrier pigeons are roosted," thing.

I've seen two attempts at debunking the "King's pups are Dragon and Pete" theory, so I think its only fair if I provide a reasonable debuking to those reasons. >: )

1) GREAT KITSUNE PROMISED! In Enter Intermission, King seemingly asks GK if Pete and Dragon are going to be reincarnated as his puppies, to which the GK replies "I thought about it, and it'd be funny, but that'd be unfair to Bailey." And so many people seem to be taking the word of a proven trickster in the matter. But as others have pointed out, Kitsune's statue seems to tell a different story. Beneath him, in the only panel in the comic that shows the words on his statue, the phrase, "Or Would It?" is increased onto the base of the statue, seemingly as an add on to the "it'd be unfair to Bailey" bit. So let's take that to mean that it wouldn't be unfair to Bailey. What does the GK mean?

In the comic Consolation Prize, GK lays out what happens to everyone as a result of everyone losing the Cosmic Game. For Dragon and Pete, he notes, "What did our two contestants win? Why, a no-expenses-paid vacation to MORTALITY, which will last a minimum of sixty years--though they won't remember (It's all in the contract)."

If Dragon and Pete don't remember their time as mortals, then it wouldn't really be "unfair to Bailey," since essentially its not Dragon and Pete that they're having to rear; its their souls, sure, and possibly a bit of their personalities but ultimately the pups are and would be separate, unique individuals who would only regain their cosmic memories upon their death (in a minimum of sixty years). (This actually goes back to Pete's concerns in Meanwhile in Heaven, where he worries that mortality, "Will change [him]," but that's sort of a fun connection and not super relevant here.)

2) GREAT KITSUNE SAID SIXTY YEARS As I noted above, when GK was noting the consequences of the Cosmic Game's end in Consolation Prize, he noted that Dragon and Pete would be mortal for a minimum of sixty years. People are taking that to mean that pets are off the table, considering that Housepets seems to use real-world pet lifespans for the most part. (Implied in comics such as A Disease of the Brain.) However, it seems to me that most readers are assuming that GK is referring to rotations of the Earth when he's referring to years. GK is crafting and coy, and he could very well interpret his own clause as "Dog years" if he wanted to, which would equate to a minimum lifespan of roughly 9 or 10 "human years," or revolutions around the sun. After all, GK is a trickster, but he's not cruel. Plus what demigod GM wants to go sixty years without his gaming group?!

Those are my thoughts on the topic, any way.

[CosmicCoyote]

Lets make some very general statements about that now. Last I checked (which was a long while ago), the average human lifespan is 80 years. Pets in this universe live 40 if well cared for.

You're not wrong. Unless this has been thrown out of canon, Sabrina mentions it in one of the side-pieces.

https://www.housepetscomic.com/2010/11/ ... can-nomad/

I may have neglected to mention beforehand: most animals in our world have significantly longer lifespans and smaller litter numbers than in your own. It’s still not the length of a human lifespan for most—elephants still only live about eighty years, and most ungulates still hover around forty and approach fifty, but dogs and cats also live up to forty years, though in the wild that number is often closer to fifteen. On average, anyway.

I just don't remember anything said about King in particular as far as his age goes. Rick probably has, but I don't feel like picking through it all.

2) GREAT KITSUNE SAID SIXTY YEARS As I noted above, when GK was noting the consequences of the Cosmic Game's end in Consolation Prize, he noted that Dragon and Pete would be mortal for a minimum of sixty years. People are taking that to mean that pets are off the table, considering that Housepets seems to use real-world pet lifespans for the most part. (Implied in comics such as A Disease of the Brain.) However, it seems to me that most readers are assuming that GK is referring to rotations of the Earth when he's referring to years. GK is crafting and coy, and he could very well interpret his own clause as "Dog years" if he wanted to, which would equate to a minimum lifespan of roughly 9 or 10 "human years," or revolutions around the sun. After all, GK is a trickster, but he's not cruel. Plus what demigod GM wants to go sixty years without his gaming group?!

You do realize that 60 years for Kitsune is something like... a few minutes, if that, right? The "Game's" 7000-year time frame is basically a single couple-hour gaming session for the celestials. Not to mention here Pete basically laughs off 100,000 years, because of his subjective time frame. Indeed, Pete's biggest problem with mortality (besides the whole losing to Dragon thing) is that he won't remember his immortal self while in mortal form (and his consequently nigh-infinite temporal frame of reference), and so 60 years actually feels like... 60 years.

And well, 60 years would be quite old for a dog, in this universe, if we're going by Sabrina.

I have a feeling that the theory's going to linger until we actually happen to run into Pete and Dragon's mortal forms, but who knows when that'll be.

[tsMKG]

In the comic Consolation Prize, GK lays out what happens to everyone as a result of everyone losing the Cosmic Game. For Dragon and Pete, he notes, "What did our two contestants win? Why, a no-expenses-paid vacation to MORTALITY, which will last a minimum of sixty years--though they won't remember (It's all in the contract)."

If Dragon and Pete don't remember their time as mortals, then it wouldn't really be "unfair to Bailey," since essentially its not Dragon and Pete that they're having to rear; its their souls, sure, and possibly a bit of their personalities but ultimately the pups are and would be separate, unique individuals who would only regain their cosmic memories upon their death (in a minimum of sixty years). (This actually goes back to Pete's concerns in Meanwhile in Heaven, where he worries that mortality, "Will change [him]," but that's sort of a fun connection and not super relevant here.)

For some reason this means that GK can go for them if he gets into a game or trouble. That GK is tracking them always.

[Bill in OK]

In my opinion, there's some strong evidence in this comic that Pete and Dragon were reincarnated into Bailey and King's puppies. But before I mention why, I need to bring up this comic from 2014, Meanwhile in Heaven. Here, we see Dragon refer to Pete as, "his big sister." Sort of weird line, because whether or not Pete and Dragon are related isn't brought up in the comic prior to this strip. That's somewhat important.

Flash back to 2015, and we see King and Bailey have three puppies. The firstborn is Olive, a girl. The secondborn is Ace, also a girl. The final child is Rook, King's only son.

• The obvious connections in names are to King; Ace and King are both cards in a deck, while King and Rook are both chess pieces. (As someone else in the thread mentioned, the Rook and the King piece have a special maneuver in chess that they can only preform together. I believe the term is "castling," but I'm a fairly novice chess player.) Of course, these names don't draw a connection to Spirit Dragon or Pete. OR DO THEY?!
• Olive is a shade of green. The shade that is almost identical (if not wholly identical) to Dragon's body. You can compare a panel of Dragon to the color olive for yourself. To me, all of these "coincidences" seem to point at the fact that Dragon was reincarnated into Olive.
• Rook is the only boy in the group, and he's also the youngest by several minutes/seconds. This means that Pete would have likely been reincarnated into Rook, which would mean that there's GK-levels of irony in "Pete's" new name. Think about it: Pete named Joel "King," and now King just named Pete "Rook." If the theory is true, this also means that Dragon is still Pete's older sister. (Even if its only by a short period of time.) Not to mention the whole, "Rookeries are a mideval part of a castle where hawks and carrier pigeons are roosted," thing.

I've seen two attempts at debunking the "King's pups are Dragon and Pete" theory, so I think its only fair if I provide a reasonable debuking to those reasons. >: )

1) GREAT KITSUNE PROMISED! In Enter Intermission, King seemingly asks GK if Pete and Dragon are going to be reincarnated as his puppies, to which the GK replies "I thought about it, and it'd be funny, but that'd be unfair to Bailey." And so many people seem to be taking the word of a proven trickster in the matter. But as others have pointed out, Kitsune's statue seems to tell a different story. Beneath him, in the only panel in the comic that shows the words on his statue, the phrase, "Or Would It?" is increased onto the base of the statue, seemingly as an add on to the "it'd be unfair to Bailey" bit. So let's take that to mean that it wouldn't be unfair to Bailey. What does the GK mean?

In the comic Consolation Prize, GK lays out what happens to everyone as a result of everyone losing the Cosmic Game. For Dragon and Pete, he notes, "What did our two contestants win? Why, a no-expenses-paid vacation to MORTALITY, which will last a minimum of sixty years--though they won't remember (It's all in the contract)."

If Dragon and Pete don't remember their time as mortals, then it wouldn't really be "unfair to Bailey," since essentially its not Dragon and Pete that they're having to rear; its their souls, sure, and possibly a bit of their personalities but ultimately the pups are and would be separate, unique individuals who would only regain their cosmic memories upon their death (in a minimum of sixty years). (This actually goes back to Pete's concerns in Meanwhile in Heaven, where he worries that mortality, "Will change [him]," but that's sort of a fun connection and not super relevant here.)

2) GREAT KITSUNE SAID SIXTY YEARS As I noted above, when GK was noting the consequences of the Cosmic Game's end in Consolation Prize, he noted that Dragon and Pete would be mortal for a minimum of sixty years. People are taking that to mean that pets are off the table, considering that Housepets seems to use real-world pet lifespans for the most part. (Implied in comics such as A Disease of the Brain.) However, it seems to me that most readers are assuming that GK is referring to rotations of the Earth when he's referring to years. GK is crafting and coy, and he could very well interpret his own clause as "Dog years" if he wanted to, which would equate to a minimum lifespan of roughly 9 or 10 "human years," or revolutions around the sun. After all, GK is a trickster, but he's not cruel. Plus what demigod GM wants to go sixty years without his gaming group?!

Those are my thoughts on the topic, any way.

A good analysis. I would add a thought of my own: It seems only fitting that the "punishment" for Pete and Dragon would be to be incarnated as King and Bailey's children. Not that K&B would mistreat them, but would teach them their own values and judgments, and who better for that lesson than Bailey? Given that both of them were immature, adolescent, and arrogant, they could stand to learn a few lessons about humility and respect. The GK indicated it wouldn't be fair to Bailey, but he didn't say that it wouldn't be fair to Pete & Dragon to be raised by Bailey.

Just my own take on the picture. But none of my predictions for the comic have ever been borne out.

[Amazee Dayzee]

Even if Kingley wouldn't mistreat their pups and would probably never know that they were Dragon and Pete were their children or that they would know who they were, I don't think Rick would risk a fan revolt by angry fans by making it happen especially since Kitsune had said that he thought about it but decided it wouldn't be fair to them after all they went through and I think that many fans would agree with that sentiment.

[NeoWolf]

They...are...finally...here.
Bailey and King got the greatest Christmas gift of all: children.

[Amazee Dayzee]

And in a few years they will have to deal with bratty toddlers who always think that no means yes!

[tsMKG]

And in a few years they will have to deal with bratty toddlers who always think that no means yes!

Then, use reverse psychology.

[Amazee Dayzee]

Except that they think that EVERYTHING means yes and there is no such thing as the word no.

[Leomon2004]

Ssh... Don't spoil the magic...

That reminded me of something.

...though this talk about ages does make me wonder. Is King a 20-something year old dog? Or is he the equivalent to a 20-something year old would be as a dog?

I believe it was stated a while ago that he's the equivalent of a human in their 20s.

Lets make some very general statements about that now. Last I checked (which was a long while ago), the average human lifespan is 80 years. Pets in this universe live 40 if well cared for.

Let's assume that Joel was very early twenties, that's a quarter of his life. So with that, the easy answer is that King is around 10 years old. Of course, that's assuming that the maturity rate remains proportional as well.

[Amazee Dayzee]

I feel that most people can do both actually. LOL

[drivernjax]

And in a few years they will have to deal with bratty toddlers who always think that no means yes!

Or at the very least, no means maybe.

[Amazee Dayzee]

But maybe always means yes don't you know?

[tsMKG]

Except that they think that EVERYTHING means yes and there is no such thing as the word no.

Then at least you can make them eat vegetables

[Amazee Dayzee]

That will be the online time they will understand the meaning then.

Kid psychology is hard.