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There's a section of My Life as a Teenage Squirrel where Marion and Lois suspect that Keene is responsible for their transformation. Given that Rick was already planning the end of Heckraiser at this point, do you suppose he ever considered having Keene actually be the one behind the transformations, and would that have been the more interesting route to go?

I think that would have been out of character for Keene. However, we should be glad that only one coin was recovered from Pete's temple and worried that we don't know what/if Eudoant used his third of the coin for. Theoretically it could still be out there.

Having read some fics that turned him into a villain. Its not hat big of a leap thinking about it. And i believe he even joked about it once.

Keene's always been kind of a morally ambiguous figure, at least until Breel entered the scene and brought out his warmer dimension. Although he did show aspects of emotional vulnerability, he was something of a mix of Scrooge McDuck and Elon Muskishy Id before Breel softened his edges.

GingaDensetsuAleu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 07, 2025 11:51 am I think that would have been out of character for Keene.

I mean, he ended up doing it on a large scale.

Keene didn't do anything but help clean up the mess since it was technically his fault. Everybody keeps gettong that wrong. Keene was not involved in the mass metamorphosis event, and Marion did not screw up changing everybody back. Changing EVERYBODY back was specifically not on the table to begin with. Only the people who helped fight Eudoant and Demon Steward were given that option (thus why Kitsune stuck his hand inside Aardvark's head).

Sorry, but that's not how it comes across to me.

Then you missed a few pages. They specifically discuss this:



Kitsune explains why he CAN'T just turn everybody back in spite of the fact the whole mess was caused by him not cleaning up his toys when he was done playing. Changing everybody back was specifically not an option.

That's not even mentioning that Marion was undecided and it was Cerbie that proposed the eventual solution. They had the option of each of them picking one small wish (such as themselves turning human again) or combining their wishes to get one bigger wish (such as the ECP succeeding). They were an even split, so Cerbie proposed the solution of making magic(k) publically accessible so everybody could change back or not when they wanted to.

Though the option for them to change back when they want to isn't on the table just yet as they specifically said they were LOOKING into it and haven't come up with anything yet. We don't know how long it will take or what will happen in the meantime. If a good chunk of people want to be human again and Keene finds that out, I can easily see him doing something to sabotage the research to prevent them from advancing too far. Plus I still think that Rick changed everybody over so he would have to draw humans LESS as he doesn't like to draw them.

Well, we're pretty sure Marion and Lois won't continue to be in the comic, as Rick went out of his way to show Marion getting his college acceptance letter and Lois has said that when he goes she's going to go with him. We might still see Todd, because he's still staying at Wildside House (the ECP safehouse that got folded into the Wildside Education Center, which in turn used to be the zoo), and we'll definitely see Jessica because Rick said she's one of his favorites.

CunningFox wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 9:55 am Sorry, but that's not how it comes across to me.

Definitely agreeing with Cunning here. Kitsune came off as saying, “mortals suffering can be good for growth and Celestials shouldn't interfere with that too much with that,” when the problem could be partially lain at his feet directly. If he followed through with his duties, none of that would have happened. Basically mortals got the consequences for his own mistakes.

GingaDensetsuAleu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 10:32 am Then you missed a few pages. They specifically discuss this:
That's not even mentioning that Marion was undecided and it was Cerbie that proposed the eventual solution. They had the option of each of them picking one small wish (such as themselves turning human again) or combining their wishes to get one bigger wish (such as the ECP succeeding). They were an even split, so Cerbie proposed the solution of making magic(k) publically accessible so everybody could change back or not when they wanted to.

That was just about the people in the city. There were people who got transformed after Eudoant was defeated.

The ability to change back I doubt will be ever found in the comic's lifetime and I can easily see it just becoming a standard furry comic with most characters now animals. I will still follow it even though it's not new or innovative but kind of the same because now I can't imagine my life without any of the characters in it existing in some way.

D-Rock wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 5:19 pm

CunningFox wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 9:55 am Sorry, but that's not how it comes across to me.

Definitely agreeing with Cunning here. Kitsune came off as saying, “mortals suffering can be good for growth and Celestials shouldn't interfere with that too much with that,” when the problem could be partially lain at his feet directly. If he followed through with his duties, none of that would have happened. Basically mortals got the consequences for his own mistakes.

Yea the impression i'm getting is that he is saying Celestials have some kind of right to mess with mortal lives in any way they want, and that you should always assume that what they are doing is good for you.

Tvtropes even has a page of this concept in fiction. Omniscient Morality License. Problem here though is that Kitsune is a character shown to be fallible, so the argument that he has this supposed right to judge doesn't hold water and his speech makes him sound like a hypocrite.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... ityLicense

I am hoping that might be part of the reason why he chose to become a mortal willingly because he knew that he was screwing up at his job and was coming across as being a bit sanctimonious so he decided he needed to experience life through their eyes. Maybe getting called on all of it started to make him think about it more and because he would still be with Kix he decided that it wouldn't be that bad if he was a mortal.

Actually he decided to do that because Dragon and Pete insisted. They were very upset at him for not thoroughly wiping their memories before reincarnating them like he was supposed to and then holding it over their heads like he was. They wanted to come back to finish being mortals because they grew attached to Kix, but wanted to fix the arrangement with Kitsune. He's been mortal before, but it's been a while.

I think that definitely contributed to it but I don't see him caring that Pete and Dragon were ticked off at him because he was forcing them to be mortals and tormenting them about it that much. He was fine up until it became apparent that HE screwed up and everything that happened was on him and he probably thought it might be a way to make up for it but I don't think how Pete and Dragon felt towards him had much bearing on it.

Well, Pete and Dragon were a major part of that decision. He was hoping, and I quote, they wouldn't "drop-kick him into a neutron star" if he fixed the arrangement.

Though I think he already knew that they were gonna get back at him for what he did and was hoping to mitigate it by correcting the arrangement. At that point after everything that they had been through Pete and Dragon aren't gonna let bygones be bygones but this was probably a case of them beating the tar out of him over just finding a way to humiliate him.

That was the point of their game in Housepets in Space. They were getting back at Kitsune and it didn't go as planned.