Chat Thread 35: If It Doesn't Exist, Then It Will Be Made

Post by **Sleet** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:13 am

I listen to music looking for what it should be, rather than just accepting what I'm given.

KJOokami · Post by **KJOokami** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:37 am

99% of rappers who use purposeful censorship to make their songs "classy" do it badly. Usually to the point of detracting from the flow of the song.

That said, I don't listen to rap much at all. It's just not my thing. But when I do, I mostly listen to Eminem. And while he does use profanity in most of his songs, there are few people who would actually contend that he doesn't have a strong vocabulary regardless.

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:04 am

I want to see a rapper who can pull off the word "Jabroni."
not many I bey.

Seth · Post by **Seth** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:50 pm

Psykeout wrote:I want to see a rapper who can pull off the word "Jabroni."
not many I bey.

The guy that does epic rap battles of history used it in his Hulk Hogan VS. Kim Jong-Il battle
so that's one

KJOokami wrote:99% of rappers who use purposeful censorship to make their songs "classy" do it badly. Usually to the point of detracting from the flow of the song.

That said, I don't listen to rap much at all. It's just not my thing. But when I do, I mostly listen to Eminem. And while he does use profanity in most of his songs, there are few people who would actually contend that he doesn't have a strong vocabulary regardless.

well put
like I said quality of artist not use of profanity determines if a song is in bad taste or not.

Sleet wrote:I listen to music looking for what it should be, rather than just accepting what I'm given.

Well to be fair everyone does that.
You just happen to have a different idea of what music should be.

Post by **Sleet** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:29 pm

I'm just saying swearing does not improve rap music, and most of the time it's done out of lack of vocabulary or attempts to be edgy rather than artistic vision.

Seth · Post by **Seth** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:32 pm

Sleet wrote:I'm just saying swearing does not improve rap music, and most of the time it's done out of lack of vocabulary or attempts to be edgy rather than artistic vision.

I think we can both agree that prfanity for the sake of profanity adds little to music.
But to dismiss music because it is profane is silly.

(unless it's shock rock, but that's a totally different animal)

Post by **Sleet** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:39 pm

Shock rock if done with irony can be good. <3 Steel Panther.

Music isn't automatically bad if there's swearing, but there's far fewer places where swearing belongs than places where it's used.

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:53 pm

Seth wrote:
Psykeout wrote:I want to see a rapper who can pull off the word "Jabroni."
not many I bey.
The guy that does epic rap battles of history used it in his Hulk Hogan VS. Kim Jong-Il battle
so that's one

OH MY GOD HE DID

HOW CAN I DESCRIBE MY HAPPY FEELS

KJOokami · Post by **KJOokami** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:08 pm

Psykeout wrote:HOW CAN I DESCRIBE MY HAPPY FEELS

By writing a rap (without the use of profanity of any kind) about the intrinsically positive effects of hearing the word "Jabroni" spoken or sung.

Edit: Also,

I listen to music looking for what it should be, rather than just accepting what I'm given.

I'm just saying swearing does not improve rap music

there's far fewer places where swearing belongs than places where it's used.

Ya know, in a subject that is so heavily based upon opinions and individual taste, you sure do seem to "know" a lot about how it's "supposed" to be.

No offense, but trying to tell someone that their taste in music if flawed, no matter how solid your reasoning seems, is good for nothing but starting flame wars and hurting others feelings unnecessarily. :/

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:47 pm

Don't worry, he only does it because she's better than you in every way.
clearly.

KJOokami · Post by **KJOokami** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:01 pm

I'm just saying. Considering how often I've been called out for crossing the line between sharing opinions and pushing them on people, I think it's a bit hypocritical for Sleet to be doing the same. I'm not saying that she's purposely trying to belittle others opinions, but I do feel that the way he's been wording zir replies could easily be construed as such.

Foxstar · Post by **Foxstar** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:03 pm

Rap which had humble, viable roots expressing one's less then pleased viewpoint with ongoing events has devolved into sheer, mind numbing idiocy which has made a select few people, mostly people of color, disgustingly rich by people of lower income brackets who cheerfully throw their limited income at these people because they speak of things the poor folks agree with. It is a scam and a half and yet shows no sign of slowing.

KJOokami · Post by **KJOokami** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:21 pm

Sounds like the music industry as a whole. The idea of paying a person (and the people who "represent" them) for the songs they sing is a relatively new concept, and one that hardly does the lower end of the financial spectrum any good.

Post by **Sleet** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:27 pm

Most glam-hop disgusts me. Glorifying crime is bad enough when it's sung from a poor perspective, but when you're flaunting how rich you are and still glorify crime, that's even worse.

Of course it's not all about this, but the trend still is icky.

Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:28 pm

Okay, I'm gonna side with KJ here. this discussion seems to be heading in a direction not appropriate to the forums, so I'm going to stop this.

that said, can we agree that rappers who just tack profanity onto their lines after the words that rhyme (horrible ex: you can't put me on a leash, mother******. I'm gonna go bake a tasty quiche, mother******) are not using profanity in a constructive and creative way, or is this opinion also challenged?

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:28 pm

KJOokami wrote:I'm just saying. Considering how often I've been called out for crossing the line between sharing opinions and pushing them on people, I think it's a bit hypocritical for Sleet to be doing the same. I'm not saying that she's purposely trying to belittle others opinions, but I do feel that the way he's been wording zir replies could easily be construed as such.

Yeah (s)he does that.

Foxstar wrote:Rap which had humble, viable roots expressing one's less then pleased viewpoint with ongoing events has devolved into sheer, mind numbing idiocy which has made a select few people, mostly people of color, disgustingly rich by people of lower income brackets who cheerfully throw their limited income at these people because they speak of things the poor folks agree with. It is a scam and a half and yet shows no sign of slowing.

You mean popular rap.
guys you need to be underground like Psykeout
uncle psyke knows all the good underground music.

KJOokami · Post by **KJOokami** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:42 pm

RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:that said, can we agree that rappers who just tack profanity onto their lines after the words that rhyme (horrible ex: you can't put me on a leash, mother******. I'm gonna go bake a tasty quiche, mother******) are not using profanity in a constructive and creative way, or is this opinion also challenged?

Nope. It would be strictly against my morals as a human being to disagree with that statement.

That particular usage of profanity is one of the primary reasons I avoided rap entirely for a very long time. It's only recently I discovered that some rappers consistently *don't* do that.

CaptainPea · Post by **CaptainPea** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:45 pm

I don't listen to rap so I can't really cover that angle, but I will say that if you replace profanity with a censor-friendly word like "idiot", you can see how overusing it will make you look silly. If I was using the word "idiot" several times in all of my songs, I'd either be a comedian with a gimmick or very hard to take seriously.

RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:occasional profanity is not the same as gratuitous profanity.

I find that **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** smooth jazz.

Randomextra · Post by **Randomextra** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:47 pm

Im willing to protest with them.

Post by **Sleet** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:48 pm

Most of the really talented rappers you see swear a lot less than the popular ones. Not because they refuse to swear, but because they have better rhymes to be making than trigger/African-American gentleman.

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:51 pm

"gentleman" is a filter, in case you didn't catch on to that.
Also are we steadily approaching a race issue

Edit: Ok how come my filter isn't picking this up like it's picking up sleet's

everyone wrote:We hate pop music blar bring us more chips

only MOST pop music is awful.

Post by **Sleet** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:57 pm

It's not a filter. I'm just not stupid enough to actually say the word.

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:01 pm

Sleet wrote:It's not a filter. I'm just not stupid enough to actually say the word.

oh pff.
I was expecting to type it in and then the filter would bring up African American Gentleman.

CaptainPea · Post by **CaptainPea** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:03 pm

Psykeout wrote:
everyone wrote:We hate pop music blar bring us more chips

Can I get this printed on a shirt

Psykeout wrote:Also are we steadily approaching a race issue

Let's not

Today in French we had to write a happier ending to Little Red Riding Hood (the one we were provided was a version where the grandmother and Little Red get eaten and that's the end). My ending had the wolf go to the supermarket, where the cashier said "Sir, you're a wolf". This made him so embarrassed that he exploded and Little Red and her grandmother were saved.

Post by **Sleet** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:06 pm

I would've written it that Little Red Riding Hood was actually bringing her grandmother enriched uranium for use in her terrorist nuclear program, and the wolf is actually a good guy.

Seth · Post by **Seth** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:11 pm

Sleet wrote:Most glam-hop disgusts me. Glorifying crime is bad enough when it's sung from a poor perspective, but when you're flaunting how rich you are and still glorify crime, that's even worse.

Of course it's not all about this, but the trend still is icky.

This we can both agree on.
I feel as though the whole ganster rap thing has gone from a way to make a social commentary (say what you will about groups like public enemy and NWA you can't argue they were trying to make a statement) to just being an exercise in ego inflating.

CaptainPea wrote:
Psykeout wrote:
everyone wrote:We hate pop music blar bring us more chips
Can I get this printed on a shirt

.

I'd buy one

Grandma was a nazi war criminal running a youth indoctrination camp, at which Red was a counsellor.
The wolf is a hero

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:12 pm

I would have made it that the wolf only ate half of each of them.

Seth · Post by **Seth** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:14 pm

Grandma was bourgeois scum standing in the way of the glorious people's revolution?

Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:23 pm

Psykeout wrote:I would have made it that the wolf only ate half of each of them.

then the other halves combined with the woodsman to form the axe-wielding Granny Hood, and they defeated the beast, freeing their other halves so they can recombine with them and return to normalcy.

The Grey Wolverine · Post by **The Grey Wolverine** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:58 pm

Only to be taken prisoner by the mighty acorn empire.

Seth · Post by **Seth** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:24 pm

The Grey Wolverine wrote:Only to be taken prisoner by the mighty acorn empire.

#### Acorn Empire anyway..........

Blue Braixen · Post by **Blue Braixen** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:09 pm

This is like Wild Mass Guessing for Hoodwinked.

sonic id furreh!!! · Post by **sonic id furreh!!!** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:52 pm

i'm watching Star Trek :3

auuuugghhh vessy isn't on today >.< ai miiiiiisssss hiiiimmmmm ;-;

Post by **Sleet** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:05 am

Which Star Trek?

sonic id furreh!!! · Post by **sonic id furreh!!!** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:17 am

the movie that came out a while ago

Shirosune · Post by **Shirosune** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:44 pm

The J.J. Abrams Star Trek as in? I was actually watching that last night, it made for a great reboot to the series...now they just need to follow through.

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:57 pm

sonic id furreh!!! wrote:the movie that came out a while ago

Well the majority of them came out in the past. :B

CaptainPea · Post by **CaptainPea** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:00 pm

Sleet wrote:I would've written it that Little Red Riding Hood was actually bringing her grandmother enriched uranium for use in her terrorist nuclear program, and the wolf is actually a good guy.

But it was actually just a basket of used pinball machine parts

Psykeout wrote:
sonic id furreh!!! wrote:the movie that came out a while ago
Well the majority of them came out in the past. :B

No the one that came out right now the instant your reading this well not anymore because you read that so slowly now it's in the past but my point still stands
comma

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:12 pm

CaptainPea wrote:my . still stands

You didn't make a single point in that entire sentence. :B
I suppose that means it wasn't a sentence.

Post by **Sleet** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:58 pm

Psykeout as CaptainPea wrote:my . still stands

Eww.

Anyway, Evil Red Riding Hood would be an awesome animated short (or possibly a full movie) if done right.