Chat Thread 34: Something I Shouldn't Be Chatting About

The Grey Wolverine · Post by **The Grey Wolverine** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:15 pm

I don't believe in the no lose scenario.

Name what movie I referenced for a prize.

Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:23 pm

The Grey Wolverine wrote:I don't believe in the no lose scenario.

Name what movie I referenced for a prize.

is that Star Trek?

Post by **Sleet** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:24 pm

Psykeout wrote:
Sleet wrote:
Psykeout wrote:I'll do it and shift between super creepy and amazingly witty.
No, you see, that wouldn't work. The problem here is they cut things to be funny. There is no way to win.

The example he and 2 gave was a mock interview where one question is what it's like wearing a fursuit during the summer. 2 then went on for like a minute and a half about how hot and sweaty it is. I'll let you guess the interview question Kage pretended to splice that answer onto.

You really can't win. It'd be hilarious, yes. But it's not worth it considering how strongly that would support the fandom's stigma. It would be horrible for us.
No, I don't think you understand. there's no way to LOSE. I don't see why anyone cares about what stigma the fandom carries.

Because some people have literally been disowned by their parents for being furries?

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:27 pm

With parents that stupid, It'd be a blessing.

Post by **Sleet** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:29 pm

Well then the homeless kids have you to thank for their "blessing" if you hypothetically did something hilarious that destroyed our image with the public.

The Grey Wolverine · Post by **The Grey Wolverine** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:29 pm

RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:
The Grey Wolverine wrote:I don't believe in the no lose scenario.

Name what movie I referenced for a prize.
is that Star Trek?

We have a winner! Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan.

Seth · Post by **Seth** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:30 pm

Psykeout wrote:With parents that stupid, It'd be a blessing.

A valid point
though getting disowned is probably never fun regardless of your parents capacity for stupidity.

The Grey Wolverine · Post by **The Grey Wolverine** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:31 pm

Sleet wrote:Because some people have literally been disowned by their parents for being furries?

What?

Post by **Sleet** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:32 pm

I've met at least one person who was kicked out of his house (he isn't even 18 yet) because his parents found out he was a furry.

The Grey Wolverine · Post by **The Grey Wolverine** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:34 pm

Why, my god I have never heard something so stupid in all my years.

Post by **Sleet** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:36 pm

Exactly. So yes, our public image does have consequence beyond being made fun of.

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:37 pm

I don't think people should worry about all the little stupid things that occur out of an indirect relationship to their actions.

Seth · Post by **Seth** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:37 pm

Sleet wrote:I've met at least one person who was kicked out of his house (he isn't even 18 yet) because his parents found out he was a furry.

their parents must literally be insane.........

Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:39 pm

The Grey Wolverine wrote:
RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:
The Grey Wolverine wrote:I don't believe in the no lose scenario.

Name what movie I referenced for a prize.
is that Star Trek?
We have a winner! Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan.

I'm afraid I'll only have to take half credit: I was going off of the recent Star Trek movie. He said it there, too.

TensaZangetsu · Post by **TensaZangetsu** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:39 pm

Seth wrote:
Sleet wrote:I've met at least one person who was kicked out of his house (he isn't even 18 yet) because his parents found out he was a furry.
their parents must literally be insane.........

aren't they legally still responsible for him? So that will come back to haunt them
And that's terrible!

Post by **Sleet** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:40 pm

Psykeout wrote:I don't think people should worry about all the little stupid things that occur out of an indirect relationship to their actions.

Consequences of acting like an idiot on The Colbert Report:

Pros:
It's funny

Cons:
Countless furries get made fun of
The furry fandom does not grow (at least not in good ways)
Furry art does not flourish as much as it could thanks to the fandom stagnating
Furries with insane parents suffer family trouble

It really isn't worth it.

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:45 pm

Sleet wrote:
Psykeout wrote:I don't think people should worry about all the little stupid things that occur out of an indirect relationship to their actions.
Consequences of acting like an idiot on The Colbert Report:

Pros:
It's funny

Cons:
Countless furries get made fun of
The furry fandom does not grow (at least not in good ways)
Furry art does not flourish as much as it could thanks to the fandom stagnating
Furries with insane parents suffer family trouble

It really isn't worth it.

Those consequences aren't direct consequences though. When indirect consequences that are correlative rather than causative and apply to less than 50%, they should really be ignored.

Post by **Sleet** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:49 pm

I'm pretty sure they're causative too. And I don't like laughing while a minority suffers.

The Grey Wolverine · Post by **The Grey Wolverine** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:52 pm

Psykeout wrote:
Sleet wrote:
Psykeout wrote:I don't think people should worry about all the little stupid things that occur out of an indirect relationship to their actions.
Consequences of acting like an idiot on The Colbert Report:

Pros:
It's funny

Cons:
Countless furries get made fun of
The furry fandom does not grow (at least not in good ways)
Furry art does not flourish as much as it could thanks to the fandom stagnating
Furries with insane parents suffer family trouble

It really isn't worth it.
Those consequences aren't direct consequences though. When indirect consequences that are correlative rather than causative and apply to less than 50%, they should really be ignored.

Direct or inderect, a consequence is a consequence.

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:10 am

Sleet wrote:I'm pretty sure they're causative too. And I don't like laughing while a minority suffers.

You might not know the definition of causative.

Minorities are ALWAYS suffering. If it's not your fault, There's no reason to be concerned with taking them into account in your actions that won't affect them.

lets pretend we had a giant library that had everything in the world you could ever need in it, that also served as a trading post, and a place for people to communicate with each other. But some people started taking things from this enormously useful Library and never returning them, like Library Pirates.. Would you shut down the Enormously Useful Library, just because "things being stolen" was a consequence of the Library's existence?

The Grey Wolverine wrote:Direct or inderect, a consequence is a consequence.

Not a consequence we should worry about.

Post by **Sleet** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:14 am

This would be a consequence of a joke, though. It's not worth the consequence.

The Grey Wolverine · Post by **The Grey Wolverine** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:18 am

And the million dollar question is: what IS worth the consequence?

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:23 am

Sleet wrote:This would be a consequence of a joke, though. It's not worth the consequence.

WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE VALUES DISSONANCE

I'm thinking about the relationship between the action and the consequence, and you're not. If we all thought like that, nothing would ever get done because we'd be worrying about things that don't have anything to do with what we're doing.

Coatl_Ruu · Post by **Coatl_Ruu** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:15 am

Sleet wrote:Uncle Kage (chairman of Anthrocon and de facto king of furries) said that his worst nightmare would be furries getting interviewed by Stephen Colbert. That would be the worst possible exposure.

Hm... (Going back a bit, but) I'm actually not convinced this is true. You're thinking 'worst case scenario' here, with the way the interview might be edited. And that's not always the way Colbert does things. There have been segments on that show - a lot of them, actually - where the humor is less "Haha, look at how weird/crazy this person/these people is/are" (gah) and more "Haha, look at how goofy and ignorant the host is acting".

I could imagine a segment that has Colbert walking around at a furry convention, asking people questions, while acting like he has absolutely no idea what a furry even is. The humor there would come from him and the bizarre questions he's ended up asking these people. That kind of interview would be funny without portraying the fandom in an excessively negative light.

Proposed solution: have Jon Stewart interview a furry on The Daily Show instead. He's got a long history of trying to get his audience to look at something from the point of view of his interviewee, even if he may not necessarily agree with it, or that might not be popular in his viewing demographic ... If ya ask me, that sounds pretty darn near perfect. =P

KJOokami · Post by **KJOokami** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:21 am

I would just like to point out that if people are already being thrown out of their houses when their parents find out they're furry... what harm is there in this? Having people thrown out of their houses isn't even an added consequence; it's one that's already going on. And the only thing that can stop it is to completely rid the world of stupidity. If you think you're up to that challenge, I welcome you to give it a shot.

Fact of the matter is that the furry community's name is already in such a state of tarnish that if people outside of the fandom hear about it from the media, they're -not- going to like it. As such, the only thing that would drive someone to disown their child (or perform some equally ludicrous act) is that person's own stupidity. Getting more bad press from Colbert wouldn't change a muffins and cookies thing.

Edit for bad grammar...

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:25 am

Coatl_Ruu wrote:Hm... (Going back a bit, but) I'm actually not convinced this is true. You're thinking 'worst case scenario' here, with the way the interview might be edited. And that's not always the way Colbert does things. There have been segments on that show - a lot of them, actually - where the humor is less "Haha, look at how weird/crazy this person/these people is/are" (gah) and more "Haha, look at how goofy and ignorant the host is acting".

It's true.

Post by **Sleet** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:05 am

I'm just quoting what he said. He said it was his greatest fear.

Seth · Post by **Seth** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:48 am

Psykeout wrote:
Sleet wrote:This would be a consequence of a joke, though. It's not worth the consequence.
WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE VALUES DISSONANCE

I'm thinking about the relationship between the action and the consequence, and you're not. If we all thought like that, nothing would ever get done because we'd be worrying about things that don't have anything to do with what we're doing.

Though you can't let it paralyze you it's not a bad idea to consider the indirect effects of your actions.
You could argue that the aren't your fault because you aren't the direct cause you are still contributing to a problem.
There are certain extremes where the ripple effects of an action would make said action morally reprehensible.
Whether or not the hypothetical we're discussing falls under that category is a different matter.

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:55 am

Seth wrote:
Psykeout wrote:
Sleet wrote:This would be a consequence of a joke, though. It's not worth the consequence.
WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE VALUES DISSONANCE

I'm thinking about the relationship between the action and the consequence, and you're not. If we all thought like that, nothing would ever get done because we'd be worrying about things that don't have anything to do with what we're doing.

Though you can't let it paralyze you it's not a bad idea to consider the indirect effects of your actions.
You could argue that the aren't your fault because you aren't the direct cause you are still contributing to a problem.
There are certain extremes where the ripple effects of an action would make said action morally reprehensible.
Whether or not the hypothetical we're discussing falls under that category is a different matter.

That's not how I see things.

Rollofthedice · Post by **Rollofthedice** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:45 am

...While I'm not a mod - so I probably don't have the authority to make this decision - I think that's a perfect note to change a topic on!

I'm gonna coerce my dad into buying tickets for the The Lion King broadway musical. They're touring, you see, and I'll be (hopefully) going to the one at The Mahalia Jackson Theater for the Performing Arts in Louisiana, sometime during late March and April around my birthday.

Has anyone here seen the broadway rendition? I know it's amazing, but I'd love to see the opinions of any forumites.

Seth · Post by **Seth** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:30 am

Never been a big broadway fan, too busy being a philistine.

yehoshua · Post by **yehoshua** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:59 am

I didn't like Stephen that much, I prefered John when I was able to watch that show last year during my vacation in Alabama.

KJOokami · Post by **KJOokami** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:01 am

I've seen Lion King on Broadway, and it's fantastic.

I got to see it with my younger sister a few years back.

TensaZangetsu · Post by **TensaZangetsu** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:02 am

yehoshua wrote:I didn't like Stephen that much, I prefered John when I was able to watch that show last year during my vacation in Alabama.

I don't really watch these kinds of shows at all, I can never stay interested

Seth · Post by **Seth** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:03 am

KJOokami wrote:I've seen Lion King on Broadway, and it's fantastic.

I got to see it with my younger sister a few years back.

suuuuuuuuure
younger sister

Rollofthedice · Post by **Rollofthedice** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:05 am

KJOokami wrote:I've seen Lion King on Broadway, and it's fantastic.

I got to see it with my younger sister a few years back.

Great! Now I've got a Housepets! Forumite Seal of Approval (TM).

My birthday in late March cannot come freakin' fast enough, I swear.

KJOokami · Post by **KJOokami** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:09 am

Seth wrote:suuuuuuuuure
younger sister

Oh! Don't get me wrong, the tickets were more for me than for her, I assure you! XD

She really did tag along with me though. :p

Post by **Sleet** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:22 pm

KJOokami wrote:I've seen Lion King on Broadway, and it's fantastic.

Ditto.

Random: I currently have nine PMs to nine different members in my outbox. Dang.

CaptainPea · Post by **CaptainPea** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:30 pm

Lion King's pretty fun. I got hit in the head by an elephant tusk once, but other than that.

Sleet wrote:
KJOokami wrote:Random: I currently have nine PMs to nine different members in my outbox. Dang.

I have a couple sitting around to new members that never came back. Apparently it doesn't send until the recipient logs on.

Post by **Sleet** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:41 pm

It goes from the Outbox to the Sent box once they open it.