Housepets!

xhunterko wrote:Most likely, King will end up in the next field over. And will end up panick looking for the watch.

King will need a vacation after this vacation.

Didn't that already happen in the last arc?

xhunterko wrote:King will need a vacation after this vacation.

Yep I have a feeling that is exactly what will end up happening.

Well, I'm just going by what we know what seems to happen to King. Just like Bino goes to the hospital often.

xhunterko wrote:Well, I'm just going by what we know what seems to happen to King. Just like Bino goes to the hospital often.

What I know seems to happen to King is that each arc progresses his story a little further, it doesn't return to status quo ante.

Unlike Bino who NEVER seems to progress.

To me he was introduced as a rebel, demonstrated by his actions with PETA.
As King, he is a conflicted character, torn between his new and past life.
He's my favorite character for his depth and complexity.

He is confronting this bully as Joel, not as King.
He is demanding the respect an adult his age should have.
He refuses to back down because he believes he can assert himself.
The bully is luring him into a fight he cannot hope to win.

I suppose we can agree to disagree on our perception of Joel/King as a character.

Esquire Fox wrote:To me he was introduced as a rebel, demonstrated by his actions with PETA.
As King, he is a conflicted character, torn between his new and past life.
He's my favorite character for his depth and complexity.

He is confronting this bully as Joel, not as King.
He is demanding the respect an adult his age should have.
He refuses to back down because he believes he can assert himself.
The bully is luring him into a fight he cannot hope to win.

I suppose we can agree to disagree on our perception of Joel/King as a character.

I never thought he was intentionally a rebel--he didn't rebel against his PETA superior despite clearly not being okay with what the PETA superior was doing. I thought he was trying to help animals but just wanted an animal rights group that wouldn't do a background check on him (because of his criminal record).

Oh, me too--I think that's why most of us like him.

But...he's SHORTER than this kid is. And why would he deliberately act like a grown man in front of a relative of Fox's? He's not STUPID, is he? And would he have threatened a CHILD as an adult? I haven't seen anything to make me believe that.

I suppose, but I honestly have no idea where yours is coming from....

I don't think consequence is on his mind right now.
The sensible thing would be to walk away, but he is asserting himself.
It is pure adrenaline. Act first, think later.

The argument is rather standard form. Comebacks and one-ups.
The bully was set to argue from the get go, while King made an attempt at keeping in check.
Both sides tend to show their immature sides in an argument.

I wonder if Fox will break up the fighting.
Though I feel that Bailey will most likely come to his aid.
That would open up a chance for them to get to know each other.

Adrenaline based on WHAT, though? The kid didn't do anything worse than threaten to make King leave the porch.

I don't think Bailey necessarily will come to his aid, though--why would she, against a human of the same family, for a dog she just met? Fox MAYBE, but even there, still not sure....

Besides, King kind of has to learn to stand on his own two feet, doesn't he?

Let's just leave it at that.
We're dissecting the situation a bit too much.

We'll see what happens next on Wednesday =)!

PWNED.

It does concern me, though. If King approaches this like a human, it could go to a very dark place.

Wow, didn't see this one coming.

... I didn't expectthis to happen
... Wow

Poor King. Why do I ahve the feeling he's going to lose his watch afcter that scene, which will lead to Fox having to rescue his clock monce again and then King will finally admit to him ho he is.

Let's settle this like shorties: Whoever rides the most rides at Theme Park world is the winner. Bring your own money.

I think King is going to go all human-logic on the brat. It may sound like he's trying to pick a fight, but he might actually mean to point out something the kid don't know.

xhunterko wrote:You know, if King confessed to Fox and they Fox forgave him, then necessarily there wouldn't be any charges. Save for being an escaped fugitive. And another possibility. What if an award from the Great Kitsune was, (something I've pondered before) the ability to switch from corgi to human at will? Just a thought. Also, after about seven years a missing person, according to the law, is considered dead I believe.

He has to pick, he can't sit on fence. Switching back and forth would be just that.

ChewyChewy wrote:And when was the last time King DID threaten anyone like that? I honestly can't remember another time before....

Remember, King is still a new character. It's a bit early for us to be claiming he's out of character when we don't know what his character completely is.

I don't see all the confusion here
King's conflicted right now, he's not gonna act rationally.
that simple

He has to pick, he can't sit on fence. Switching back and forth would be just that.

Read it again. I'm implying that that would be giving after everything occurs after the decision. That way, hanging out with his friend would seem a little less wierd.

I am sensing some familiar themes here

Part of me is hoping King gets beat up. Gets a taste of what he's been accused of as a human. Maybe even get pushed toward staying a dog right here and now.

Kitch wrote:Part of me is hoping King gets beat up. Gets a taste of what he's been accused of as a human. Maybe even get pushed toward staying a dog right here and now.

Okay, how is THAT fair? I don't recall Joel ever beating anyone up. And that's a horrible way to get pushed toward it--it needs to be his CHOICE, not something he was coerced into.

And I thought Rick stated there wouldn't be much change in the plot.

There are so much in the huge family for King to deal with even one problem and there's still plenty more further in the arc.

Must been the first time an angry tic mark appear in this comic.

I hope that Bailey comes to the rescue, then King can go from King of Comebacks to Duke of Inarticulates

Ooh.... OOH!!! A fight! Who bets on King winning? (either through back-talk, other the "other" solution).
Those kids are NOT the type I hung around with, more the type I made sure I was in the way of.

Why doesn't he choose to "be a human" already?

Pros to being a dog in King's case:
-Pretty much live as a kid (Not having to take care of self)
-Friends
-More attractive to female humans
Cons:
-Pretty much a slave
-Not actually attracted to the female humans that are attracted to you
-Crappy name (Named after a chess piece)

Pros to being human in Joel's case:
-INDEPENDENCE
-GET TO WEAR CLOTHES
-SCHOOL THAT PUNK KID'S FACE
-GET TO HAVE AN ABOVE AVERAGE NAME
Cons:
-Taxes
-No friends
-Unattractive to females of all species


So yeah, King/Joel sucks at decisions majorly.

you forgot the criminal record as a con for being human, which can sometimes make it hard to find a good job, which can make it hard to live well.

Isn't there a BRIGHT side to this SOMEWHERE? ANY of you?

King could turn into a cat I guess?

Oh, hardy har.

Let's review the facts:

If he chooses to be Joel, then he goes back to a life on the run (barring some deus ex machina that gets him out of it, which would be LAME), and even if he didn't, he's got a record, as pointed out, and that makes it difficult to have any sort of desirable life. Second, that also leaves Fox heartbroken, unless he were to never find out (which would be even MORE lame). I'D certainly be crushed if I found out something like that, and carry scars. This is WAY too dark for Housepets, and this applies for any situation in which Joel returns to jail and is never seen in comic again.

If he chooses King, he has a less free, but probably objectively better life, with friends (and if Fox were to abandon him or hate him on finding out who he is, that would be the LAMEST of LAME. See above for if he NEVER finds out). He can also have a second shot at life. While the whole thing of not running from responsibility makes sense, the way it has been described seems too depressing. There MUST be another way without "putting him on a bus".

More than anything, I hope it's soon. I don't like seeing him tormented.

PhoenixAsper wrote:Oh, hardy har.

Let's review the facts:

If he chooses to be Joel, then he goes back to a life on the run (barring some deus ex machina that gets him out of it, which would be LAME), and even if he didn't, he's got a record, as pointed out, and that makes it difficult to have any sort of desirable life. Second, that also leaves Fox heartbroken, unless he were to never find out (which would be even MORE lame). I'D certainly be crushed if I found out something like that, and carry scars. This is WAY too dark for Housepets, and this applies for any situation in which Joel returns to jail and is never seen in comic again.

I have to point this out, but i think some of us are looking into the fact that Joel has a criminal record like it's immediately going to be forced upon him upon returning to human. Sure, it's a likely scenario, but it's not set in stone.

MilesKingford wrote:I hardly think that there will be any great moral realisation, I think that Pete is merely toying with King and that the "lesson" is nothing more than a vague excuse to legitimise his cruelty and malice.

The moral of this story is: YOU CAN'T TRUST THE SYSTEM!



MAAAAN!


Excuse my Lonely Island reference.

Chaplin wrote:

MilesKingford wrote:I hardly think that there will be any great moral realisation, I think that Pete is merely toying with King and that the "lesson" is nothing more than a vague excuse to legitimise his cruelty and malice.

The moral of this story is: YOU CAN'T TRUST THE SYSTEM!



MAAAAN!


Excuse my Lonely Island reference.

well done


I really don't think anything is going to be resolved as far as King choosing between dog and human in this arc.
If I had to guess what Rick's doing,
He's using this arc to complicate King's situation, but I don't think he'll actually resolve it until a later arc.

MilesKingford wrote:I hardly think that there will be any great moral realisation, I think that Pete is merely toying with King and that the "lesson" is nothing more than a vague excuse to legitimise his cruelty and malice. Now that Pete is out of the picture, there is no one to help him return to normal, not like Pete would anyway and I doubt the other deities would really be so altruistic.

Actually as Pete said King made up that reason for the transformation him self. Pete never said it. Pete only cared about playing the game and getting an Avatar. Really out side of maybe Dragon (and I stress this is a HUGE maybe.) The nerds really don't seem to care that much about anything but the game, and in fact are all huge jerks in one way or another. Remember they could change him back (Dragon wouldn't have offered if she couldn't actually do it) Kitsune chose not to because of the game. (PS I realize the actual reason, though I have no actual proof just a feeling, was more likely that Rick planed on changing him back but he knew that people would be even angrier with him then they already where at the time and he would have lost a lot of readers if he had, so he changed the plan a bit, however since it is canon it still makes Kitsune a jerk) It just so happens that Pete is the biggest one.

IceKitsune wrote:(PS I realize the actual reason, though I have no actual proof just a feeling, was more likely that Rick planed on changing him back but he knew that people would be even angrier with him then they already where at the time and he would have lost a lot of readers if he had,

Your assuming that Rick is worried that some folks getting mad and no longer reading the comic would stop him in any way from telling a story the way he wants to tell it. Housepets did alright before King and it would do alright without King.

Foxstar wrote:

IceKitsune wrote:(PS I realize the actual reason, though I have no actual proof just a feeling, was more likely that Rick planed on changing him back but he knew that people would be even angrier with him then they already where at the time and he would have lost a lot of readers if he had,

Your assuming that Rick is worried that some folks getting mad and no longer reading the comic would stop him in any way from telling a story the way he wants to tell it. Housepets did alright before King and it would do alright without King.

I could easily be wrong (since I don't know Rick personally) but considering how many King fans there are and how angry people were with the comic at the time (so angry in fact that he had to make an extra strip he didn't want to just to get them to stop.) I could see him fearing losing a rather large number of his fan base over it making him change the plot some, although I think more accurately it would be he put it off for a while because I still say hes going to become Joel again anyway. Plus he did say at one point that he doesn't understand why so many people like King, that he wasn't meant to be liked and never thought he would get this popular (he thought a small section of the fandom would like him, ones who like transformation stories but that was it.) And IIRC he also said he doesn't like writing King all that often.

Edit: And just so you all know while I don't think I'm wrong I actually hope I am. I want Rick to write this comic the way he wants to. I just feel with the way things where going at the time of that arc plus the statements he said afterwords it could be possible.

IceKitsune wrote:Plus he did say at one point that he doesn't understand why so many people like King, that he wasn't meant to be liked and never thought he would get this popular (he thought a small section of the fandom would like him, ones who like transformation stories but that was it.) And IIRC he also said he doesn't like writing King all that often.

I think you're completely misquoting me here, and also making stuff up.

rickgriffin wrote:

IceKitsune wrote:Plus he did say at one point that he doesn't understand why so many people like King, that he wasn't meant to be liked and never thought he would get this popular (he thought a small section of the fandom would like him, ones who like transformation stories but that was it.) And IIRC he also said he doesn't like writing King all that often.

I think you're completely misquoting me here, and also making stuff up.

hmmm it appears that I did. It seems I mixed up different quotes from you and Diss (who was fake quoting you at the time, though you did say that part about people who liked transformation stories and you didn't think king would be this popular) For that I apologize it was my fault, I was wrong. I completely went off of memory which was very stupid of me (though it doesn't help that the search post function on this forum is not that good) Though that really just makes The Nerds even bigger Jerks then before. (in fact IMO it basically makes them heartless monsters at this point.)

I bet King and Bailey are going to get to know each other very well by the end of this arc. They won't be dating (Although Joel will probably be tempted every so often) but i'm betting King and Bailey will have a similar relationship to King and Fox in the end.

The only humorous side of it is that King has a huge crush on her, while at the same time having trouble making huge advances on her because of the fact he use to be human.