2019/07/31 - I Am Not Made Of Stone

Post by **D-Rock** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:03 am

[2019/07/31 - I Am Not Made Of Stone]
Title Text: Oh wait..... no

Two things learned; Karishad holds grudges, and don't try to pun him.

Nobody · Post by **Nobody** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:04 am

The pun doesn't even work, since a relief is a carving that remains attached to a background of the material it's made from. No wonder Karishad doesn't get it.

LunarFox · Post by **LunarFox** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:06 am

We take too many things about this comic for granite... it's gneiss, but we probably shouldn't be because it looks like there's going to be a rocky road ahead.

fenrirblack · Post by **fenrirblack** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:07 am

Poor Dallas. He’s barely a tertiary character and yet he gets blamed for the temple.

Karishad actually looks menacing in the second panel. I didn’t think it was possible.

I wonder what other gems are there in that tunnel and more importantly what’s happening on the surface?

NHWestoN · Post by **NHWestoN** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:13 am

ROCK ON! Actually, that is quite a collection. Hope that's all of them. Didn't expect Karishad to hold a grudge.

Welsh Halfwit · Post by **Welsh Halfwit** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:14 am

Jokes erupt from the nervous
and Kari tells he has a foe
as the pair go down the line
to wherever they’re gonna go.
Dallas has no idea of peril
and Kari has no limitations
and Marion has no way
to voice all his frustrations.
(Not without being thought mad)
The situation is somewhat sad.
He doesn’t know who to trust;
so he’ll just do what he must…
As for the rocks in the groove?
Too scared of Kari to even move.

Rikunda · Post by **Rikunda** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:19 am

More and more proof that Kari is actually the avatar of a certain nine tail...

Gbr23 · Post by **Gbr23** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:22 am

Gotta love that Kari against Dallas thing

Saturn381 · Post by **Saturn381** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:40 am

Why doesn't the gargoyle want Karishad to know it can still move?

Ash Greytree · Post by **Ash Greytree** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:45 am

I wonder if there’s any residual magic(k) humming and thrumming about down there. The gargoyles seem pretty much permanently enchanted, probably by Pete himself, but I feel like the temple collapsing might have led to some of its power seeping out into nearby areas. Maybe it was a magic(k) leak that transformed Marion? Like a gas leak, only more fuzzy and cute than lethal and tragic.

Welsh Halfwit · Post by **Welsh Halfwit** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:16 am

Saturn381 wrote:Why doesn't the gargoyle want Karishad to know it can still move?

Because then Karishad will want to play with it.

jonas · Post by **jonas** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:46 am

"Don't blink. Blink and you're dead. Don't turn your back, don't look away, and don't blink. Good luck."

restcure · Post by **restcure** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:43 am

NHWestoN wrote:ROCK ON! Actually, that is quite a collection. Hope that's all of them. Didn't expect Karishad to hold a grudge.

Well, schist - you just HAD to go there.

leinglo · Post by **leinglo** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:37 am

Rikunda wrote:More and more proof that Kari is actually the avatar of a certain nine tail...

I certainly still believe it. If Kari isn't Kitsune's avatar, then he's definitely at least friends with him.

Padgriffin · Post by **Padgriffin** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:43 am

leinglo wrote:
Rikunda wrote:More and more proof that Kari is actually the avatar of a certain nine tail...
I certainly still believe it. If Kari isn't Kitsune's avatar, then he's definitely at least friends with him.

He lived in the temple for a while, I'm sure Kitsume would be aware of him. But yeah, I'm assuming he's just Kitsume's Avatar at this point.

inb4 he's the true father of Craig and Draig

Post by **SeanWolf** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:56 am

Now I'm beginning to think that this part of the arc will be somewhat like Dante's Inferno (the poem, not the game), where Marion is Dante and Karishad's the guide. Also....I don't get the 'relief' joke either.

trekkie · Post by **trekkie** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:07 am

I wonder where the tunnel ends and if Kitsune is Kari’s avatar if the nine-tail will play a part in helping Marion.

Nobody · Post by **Nobody** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:44 am

Welsh Halfwit wrote:
Saturn381 wrote:Why doesn't the gargoyle want Karishad to know it can still move?
Because then Karishad will want to play with it.

Specifically, he'll want to play cornhole.

SeanWolf wrote:Now I'm beginning to think that this part of the arc will be somewhat like Dante's Inferno (the poem, not the game), where Marion is Dante and Karishad's the guide. Also....I don't get the 'relief' joke either.

"Relief" is a type of carving. One of the oldest types of carving, in fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relief

Argent · Post by **Argent** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:55 am

Nobody wrote:The pun doesn't even work, since a relief is a carving that remains attached to a background of the material it's made from. No wonder Karishad doesn't get it.

Yeh, Marion is really stretching here. He'd be a natural for the Fools Guild in Ankh Morpork though.

SeanWolf wrote:Marion is Dante and Karishad's the guide.

Virgil, if I recall correctly.

Larry Niven did an updated take-off of Inferno and had Mussolini as Virgil. His Dante (an SF writer who was obviously an expy of Larry himself, he kept making references to thinly disguised versions of his own stories) didn't realize who he was and kept calling him "Benny".

Welsh Halfwit · Post by **Welsh Halfwit** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:04 am

leinglo wrote:
Rikunda wrote:More and more proof that Kari is actually the avatar of a certain nine tail...
I certainly still believe it. If Kari isn't Kitsune's avatar, then he's definitely at least friends with him.

Well, we know they've met.

Champion Wallace · Post by **Champion Wallace** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:24 am

The studio lighting is a nice touch. They can see the gargoyles and avoid the grue even though no one brought a flashlight. Poor Dallas, he wasn't even the one who blew down the temple.

Geartooth wrote:
leinglo wrote:
Rikunda wrote:More and more proof that Kari is actually the avatar of a certain nine tail...
I certainly still believe it. If Kari isn't Kitsune's avatar, then he's definitely at least friends with him.
He lived in the temple for a while, I'm sure Kitsume would be aware of him. But yeah, I'm assuming he's just Kitsume's Avatar at this point.

Dissension wrote:This particular game is between The Spirit Dragon and Pete, to determine which of them will control the gaming group. The Great Kitsune, as game master and arbiter in this dispute, does not have a specific avatar. He's more concerned with ensuring fair play and enforcement of applicable rules.

Geartooth wrote:inb4 he's the true father of Craig and Draig

That was already debunked in the title text for Alternative Methods.

fenrirblack · Post by **fenrirblack** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:30 am

SeanWolf wrote:Now I'm beginning to think that this part of the arc will be somewhat like Dante's Inferno (the poem, not the game), where Marion is Dante and Karishad's the guide. Also....I don't get the 'relief' joke either.

Feels more like Alice in Wonderland and Kari is the Mad Hatter. I guess that would make Steward the Queen of Hearts and Jess the White Queen. How convenient that we already have our white rabbit. We all know who Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dum are.

Nathan Kerbonaut · Post by **Nathan Kerbonaut** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:41 am

I haven't heard before the theory that Kari is Kitsune's avatar, but I'm inclined to believe it's true. Perhaps there is a logical explanation for how he's able to do the absurd things he does?

Argent · Post by **Argent** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:49 am

Nathan Kerbonaut wrote:I haven't heard before the theory that Kari is Kitsune's avatar, but I'm inclined to believe it's true. Perhaps there is a logical explanation for how he's able to do the absurd things he does?

Kari's power is Doylist, not Watsonian.

Post by **CyberDragon** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:03 am

Nathan Kerbonaut wrote:I haven't heard before the theory that Kari is Kitsune's avatar, but I'm inclined to believe it's true. Perhaps there is a logical explanation for how he's able to do the absurd things he does?

As it has been mentioned many times before, Karishad is a real life person inserted into the comic. He has the personality he does in the comic because that's how he is irl. He has no relation to Kitsune.

Frank · Post by **Frank** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:44 am

Champion Wallace wrote:Poor Dallas, he wasn't even the one who blew down the temple.

Just a brief reminder

...and later

So if Dallas wants to redeem himself, he needs to return the Everlasting Gobstopper

dr_eirik · Post by **dr_eirik** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:51 am

The dialog as I imagine it that follows:

<Marion: Get it? Relief?
Karishad: No.
<several second pause>
Marion: Wait. Temple??

I have to feel for Dallas here. Of all the creatures to have a grudge against you, I think Karishad might be close to the worst, as much as I think he's the best to be on your side. I could see him like the Terminator. He can't be reasoned with. He can't be talked to.

And I don't think that Kitsune ever had an avatar, and still doesn't. He wasn't a player, he was the DM. If his presence is needed, then he's there.

I do agree, and I've said for a while, we kind of need to see him at *some* point in this story, if only to explain why he doesn't just fix everything. There is almost certainly a reason, having Marion just fixed in the end would be really anti-climactic, but I feel like we need to see why. It would be nice to take him off the suspect board, too. Turning random humans into small, furry animals isn't his style, but he's only one of a couple of known characters that even might have that power. Cerebus could (but has never shown that level) and Bahumat certainly (but makes no sense). I suppose the dino-demon, but we never saw that he had that kind of power, either.

Frank · Post by **Frank** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:57 am

dr_eirik wrote: I do agree, and I've said for a while, we kind of need to see [Kitsune] at *some* point in this story, if only to explain why he doesn't just fix everything. There is almost certainly a reason, having Marion just fixed in the end would be really anti-climactic, but I feel like we need to see why.

Oh, you liked The Pagemaster too? (Yes I know almost nobody did)

NHWestoN · Post by **NHWestoN** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:13 pm

restcure wrote:
NHWestoN wrote:ROCK ON! Actually, that is quite a collection. Hope that's all of them. Didn't expect Karishad to hold a grudge.

Well, schist - you just HAD to go there.

yeah, that was kinda taken for "granite".

trekkie · Post by **trekkie** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:16 pm

Given all he went through, I’m actually kinda impressed that Marion told a joke, even if it made no sense.

dr_eirik · Post by **dr_eirik** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:27 pm

trekkie wrote:Given all he went through, I’m actually kinda impressed that Marion told a joke, even if it made no sense.

One of the endearing things about him is that he's maintained a level of humor despite his world burning to the ground around him. He made a joke when he looked at the TV to see if everyone was a squirrel, another when he fell and had a box of nut-free granola land on him, he made a sarcastic comment to the raccoons in the tree house, etc. He'd certainly had his share of freak outs so far, and possibly a series of poor decision making brought on by circumstances, but he's mostly been level headed.

Cesco · Post by **Cesco** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:47 pm

Oh, wow!

There's really so much space down there?

Karishad must really hate Dallas, since that day...

Good that our fox is hosting all those gargoyles from the now destroyed temple, but it's creepy how they're remaining themselves blocked, hiding they're really live.

What other marvelous stuff is there?

Welsh Halfwit · Post by **Welsh Halfwit** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:43 pm

What if...

They're only able to move because Marion's there?

dr_eirik · Post by **dr_eirik** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:47 pm

Welsh Halfwit wrote:What if...

They're only able to move because Marion's there?

Interesting, but the fact that you see the gargoyle sweating, then expressing relief when they leave seems like they are hiding their ability from Karishad for some reason.

Welsh Halfwit · Post by **Welsh Halfwit** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:19 pm

dr_eirik wrote:
Welsh Halfwit wrote:What if...

They're only able to move because Marion's there?
Interesting, but the fact that you see the gargoyle sweating, then expressing relief when they leave seems like they are hiding their ability from Karishad for some reason.

That reason is probably Cornhole.

NHWestoN · Post by **NHWestoN** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:22 pm

CyberDragon wrote:
Nathan Kerbonaut wrote:I haven't heard before the theory that Kari is Kitsune's avatar, but I'm inclined to believe it's true. Perhaps there is a logical explanation for how he's able to do the absurd things he does?
As it has been mentioned many times before, Karishad is a real life person inserted into the comic. He has the personality he does in the comic because that's how he is irl. He has no relation to Kitsune.

The idea that Kari is Kitsune's avatar is one of those "The Beast that would Not Die" speculative themes that just keeps popping up. There really seems to be no basis for the conjecture except that they're both foxes and both irrepressible tricksters. Now, granted, there's significant evidence I don't know much about "avatars" but CyberDragon's points strike me as pretty self-evident.

..........even if we are back in the Temple again. Again.

Silly Zealot · Post by **Silly Zealot** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:18 pm

Sweating profusely Okay....I'm....25% sure that there is no grue in the dark.
And %10 sure there is nothing else dangerous either.

Rikunda wrote:More and more proof that Kari is actually the avatar of a certain nine tail...

This Karishad is the same one that exists in the real world. It even says so on his Twitter.
He is beholden to magic fox other than himself.

Amazee Dayzee · Post by **Amazee Dayzee** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:36 pm

I just love how Karishad still blames Dallas for everything that he can think of at this point.

Was it even him who blew the temple up?

dr_eirik · Post by **dr_eirik** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:15 pm

Welsh Halfwit wrote:
dr_eirik wrote:
Welsh Halfwit wrote:What if...

They're only able to move because Marion's there?
Interesting, but the fact that you see the gargoyle sweating, then expressing relief when they leave seems like they are hiding their ability from Karishad for some reason.
That reason is probably Cornhole.

You make an excellent point...

Amazee Dayzee wrote: I just love how Karishad still blames Dallas for everything that he can think of at this point. Was it even him who blew the temple up?

I'm not sure that you can pin it on any particular individual. I suppose that the closest that you could do is Res. I think him closing the portal is what did the temple in in the end.

Sir Chestnut · Post by **Sir Chestnut** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:35 pm

Amazee Dayzee wrote:I just love how Karishad still blames Dallas for everything that he can think of at this point. Was it even him who blew the temple up?

I'm hoping this means Dallas and Joey somehow get dragged into this.