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It doesn't matter if it original or not US copyright law doesn't cover individual words,common ideas or short phrases. Phrases are under under Trademark law. http://www.wisegeek.com/can-i-copyright-a-phrase.htm unless I'm misunderstanding something here I not wrong you can't copyright a phraseJustice193 wrote:technically speaking, anything you create that is an original work grants copyright to you, all that you need is proof that it is your original work, the easyest way to document this with a catchphrase you have determined to be an original work, is to write it down on a piece of paper, and then mail it to yourself, and NEVER open the letter; the only reason you have done this is in case it ever has to go to court, that letter and the time stamp on it is your proof.
I have determined my signature to be an original piece of work, (go ahead, type it into any search engine, the only thing it will bring to you to is me, or a place I've posted, and therefore, me), this isn't even a derivative of someone else work, it's completely original, mine, I therefore have copyright, and the right to create derivative works, and the authority to decide how other people are allowed to use it, and because I intend on using it for the rest of my natural life, I feel it only prudent to ensure no one else can ever claim it as their own.
The Berne Convention is still what is used for the applications of Copyright globally which states that the copyright laws of the place where the copyright is claimed shall be applied to the work which means you still can's copyright a Phrase because you can't in the US where I'm assuming your from. And just because you can't Trademark something does not mean you can just copyright it they are not the same thing. No matter how much people want them to be.on top of that, trademarks are a form of copyright exclusively for identifying the origin of a product or service, this has nothing to do with a product or service, it has to do with identifying myself, the fact that my intended area of use is the internet means that my copyright extends to the entire globe.
the problem with trying to enforce something so small is that it can take a considerable amount of work, and they are for the most part never actually original pieces of work, it's near impossible for something so small to have never been said before, and so to alleviate this sort of confusion, US law prefers that people register a trademark for this purpose, however, if an individual can provide irrefutable proof that they are the original creators of the phrase or thought, there is little a court can do to stand in their way if they want to protect it.This can include fixed forms of unique ideas, compositions, plays, novels, song lyrics and so on, but they do not cover individual words, common ideas or short phrases. While the desire to copyright a phrase closely associated with a business or an artistic concept may be understandable, US federal copyright laws would not offer much in the way of enforceable protection.
(this is the reason I sent a letter with it to myself, which I'll never personally open, it does the same thing without having to pay the government to do it.)The current copyright laws in the United States would automatically assign a copyright to a phrase or title or other unique or original expression. There would be no need to submit the short phrase to the official copyright office, but some people may want to establish the creation date of a short phrase in order to protect themselves from copycats.
it's not that they don't allow it, it's just normally so darn hard to prove it's generally considered a waste of time (and so the reason I'm taking actions; as it stands, mine is rather easy to prove: I'm the only one to have ever used it to date)There is a good reason why it is nearly impossible to copyright a phrase. Copyright laws are only effective as long as the copyright holder remains diligent about prosecuting violators. If an individual decided to copyright a phrase such as "Hello, may I help you?", he or she would shortly be overwhelmed by the number of potential copyright violations. The phrase would be in such common usage that enforcement of a copyright would be virtually impossible.
I don't use either of them so I haven't read their agreements. Again find anything that says you can copyright a Phase and I'll believe you but I'm not seeing it.Justice193 wrote:lol, of course you can't copyright a tweet, just as you can't copyright a post on facebook, haven't you read over their agreements?: anything and everything you post on their boards belongs to them unless you have previous, well established, protections in place.
why do you think I don't have an account with either of them? I like to own my work.
they all say it, you're just not reading past the first few sentences.http://brainz.org/can-i-copyright-phrase/ wrote:A copyright law would only work if the author were diligent enough to control the use of the phrase, which is difficult since a phrase may come to be used in common conversation. A trademark is an alternative that allows authors to easily prove the unauthorized use of any short phrase. An example of a trademarked short phrase is Nike’s tagline, Just Do It.
Ok I admit I'm wrong on this one I'm sorry but really I don't know how your going to enforce it.Justice193 wrote:I did. I went through the very link that you gave me and pointed out how it says you can if it's original enough, what more do you want? for me to call up a professional and get them to send you a letter saying just that?
the problem with trying to copyright something like this is normally very hard, such as what this article says here:
they all say it, you're just not reading past the first few sentences.http://brainz.org/can-i-copyright-phrase/ wrote:A copyright law would only work if the author were diligent enough to control the use of the phrase, which is difficult since a phrase may come to be used in common conversation. A trademark is an alternative that allows authors to easily prove the unauthorized use of any short phrase. An example of a trademarked short phrase is Nike’s tagline, Just Do It.
it's my copyright, I plan on enforcing it, it's original enough I know it won't become commonplace, and I am very, very diligent.
I may trademark it in the future, but at the moment the only thing I can afford is a simple copyright, that will not stop me from doing it however.
I have to agree with Ebly, Actually wanting to copyright text is silly on the internet,Ebly wrote:Isn't the basis of this whole topic about getting a new tag added, not about copyrights themselves? Couldn't this have just been a PM?
But jeez, that's ridiculous. I can't help but get a very intense vibe of arrogance from this thread. "I must be credited if anyone in the world says this particular mashup of words." - Copyright E. Brauen at 10:12 PM on the 13th of May, 2010.
no that's not my real last name
I'm sure that you meant wanting to copyright a Quote/Phase on the Internet is silly (and I agree it is) because text could mean a story or essay or something like that.Kyderra wrote:I have to agree with Ebly, Actually wanting to copyright text is silly on the internet,Ebly wrote:Isn't the basis of this whole topic about getting a new tag added, not about copyrights themselves? Couldn't this have just been a PM?
But jeez, that's ridiculous. I can't help but get a very intense vibe of arrogance from this thread. "I must be credited if anyone in the world says this particular mashup of words." - Copyright E. Brauen at 10:12 PM on the 13th of May, 2010.
no that's not my real last name
putting -namehere behind it is enough indication that you made it.
um, no. his actual website illustrates that it is only trademarked. Check "rumble licensing". Well, check pretty much any page, but still. If you look hard, you'll find there is actually a copyright: it's on the original recording.Justice193 wrote:"let's get ready to rumble"-©®Micheal Buffer, is an example of a phrase someone has the copyright for, and the trademark, as I will be doing, he remains adamant about keeping the ©, so as to ensure everyone knows it's his original, and so that he has further control over how it may be reproduced, thus preventing anyone from misusing it, instead of having only the sole right to use it in defining his business.
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So if a handful of words is in fact attributable to you, there is no reason to get so worked up over protecting it. Likewise, the poor man's copyright does not work, as it is impossible to actually prove whether an envelope has been tampered with, and trying to base your case on such a thing is silly anyway.Wikipedia wrote:Copyright under the Berne Convention must be automatic; it is prohibited to require formal registration
so you are worked up about it.Justice193 wrote:I'm not really all that worked up about it,
Correct, and you sure think it's needed for this forum, while no one else seems to think so.Justice193 wrote:t it's taking so long to get such a useful piece of BBCode put in place.
hence you are still going... and going... and going on about this.Justice193 wrote:it doesn't bother me any,
I'm sorry if i offended you with this, but it's been bothering me.Justice193 wrote:expand on a topic and can ramble on and on until you've finally made yourself perfectly clear