Old Comic Discussion: "Imaginate" to "Imaginate, too!"

[Indagare]

And don't you think, that King just CAN'T tell anyone anything about what had happen to him? Just like he can't tell his real name.
I wonder, if he can write it, or it will look like a scene from "Liar Liar" film with Jim Carrey?

Yeah, this has me thinking a bit. It looks to me like King genuinely slipped and then corrected himself, but it seems unlikely that he would do so of his own volition. So I'm wondering if maybe Pete's spell command on him only effects what he can do or say consciously. When he was just talking without thinking it through first, he was able to say whatever came into his mind, but as soon as he caught himself saying it, his conscious mind took over, and because of the spell, he was required to consciously correct himself. If that's the case, that could lead to some interesting slip ups on his part, in the future.

Actually, except for saying his original name, I think King can say anything he wants. But this is where the Eagles come in handy. "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave." Pete has already stated he's not likely to restore Joel to a human form, and Joel does not know any magic (or anyone that knows magic) that might turn him back. This leaves him with a problem. For all intents and purposes he's a pet. If he starts running around claiming to be a human trapped in a pet's body thanks to a magical griffin people are going to think he's either making it up or that he's lying.

Plus he wouldn't be able to tell anyone who he was even if they did take him seriously. "What was your name?" "My name was King!" I think this, and the fact that he's very well aware of how pets are treated outside Babylon Gardens, means he's basically stuck. If he lets slip to a pet that he went to college then he's going to have to explain a lot more than might make sense. I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to be shunned by the other dogs - and he would not want to attract Bino's attention by claiming airs. So he lies or covers up his background so he can lead a relatively safe, happy life. Of course if he ever did learn magic or find someone who could turn him back...

[YoruOokami]

Actually, except for saying his original name, I think King can say anything he wants. But this is where the Eagles come in handy. "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave." Pete has already stated he's not likely to restore Joel to a human form, and Joel does not know any magic (or anyone that knows magic) that might turn him back. This leaves him with a problem. For all intents and purposes he's a pet. If he starts running around claiming to be a human trapped in a pet's body thanks to a magical griffin people are going to think he's either making it up or that he's lying.

Plus he wouldn't be able to tell anyone who he was even if they did take him seriously. "What was your name?" "My name was King!" I think this, and the fact that he's very well aware of how pets are treated outside Babylon Gardens, means he's basically stuck. If he lets slip to a pet that he went to college then he's going to have to explain a lot more than might make sense. I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to be shunned by the other dogs - and he would not want to attract Bino's attention by claiming airs. So he lies or covers up his background so he can lead a relatively safe, happy life. Of course if he ever did learn magic or find someone who could turn him back...

Definitely a possibility, but if that were the case, then there wouldn't have been any point in Pete putting a spell on Joel/King to begin with. If people don't believe his story without him being able to tell them his original name, which he could simply explain away as being because of the spell, then there is really no reason they would believe him if he could tell them his name also. They'd just think he was lying about that too. Which makes me think that just blocking his ability to say his old name really doesn't accomplish anything, by itself, so I think it must go deeper then that. That's my line of reasoning anyway.

[Indagare]

Definitely a possibility, but if that were the case, then there wouldn't have been any point in Pete putting a spell on Joel/King to begin with. If people don't believe his story without him being able to tell them his original name, which he could simply explain away as being because of the spell, then there is really no reason they would believe him if he could tell them his name also. They'd just think he was lying about that too. Which makes me think that just blocking his ability to say his old name really doesn't accomplish anything, by itself, so I think it must go deeper then that. That's my line of reasoning anyway.

It could be that Pete's magic can be countered if you knew the true name of the person he enspelled therefore by blocking King from being able to tell anyone his true name Pete has made sure that no one can reverse the spell (at least not easily). So it doesn't matter if King can say anything else except his true name because his name is the only thing Pete needs to keep him from saying.

[Teh Brawler]

Now that I look at the left pic of King again, anyone else think he looks like tails?

[RaptorAnton]

Now that I look at the left pic of King again, anyone else think he looks like tails?

A little bit. And I think that Rick forgot about white dots.

[Jack]

he looks a bit more cartoony in the left pic. does anyone understand what i mean by that?

[RaptorAnton]

he looks a bit more cartoony in the left pic. does anyone understand what i mean by that?

There are some things, that you can feel but can't describe. Anyway, I understand, what you mean.

[YoruOokami]

he looks a bit more cartoony in the left pic. does anyone understand what i mean by that?

Yes, I do, and I agree completely. I think it is because most of his features are more rounded off in the left drawing, making him appear more soft and fluffy. I think it can all be written off to the slight angle change. His muzzle, being a little more foreshortened at this angle, appears more rounded, the back of his ears are rounder and a bit thicker, and with more of the left side of his head showing it allows more of the base circle of his head to show. The only thing that I don't think can be written off as an angle thing would be that he has let the hair on his head grow out a bit, and the tufts are thicker with more rounded ends which gives fur a puffier look.

And then there's also the fact that it's very challenging to draw a character exactly the same way, every time. Minor differences are bound to leak in now and then.

And then it's possible that Rick has actually made some minor changes, and I'm just way over analyzing things as usual

Now that I look at the left pic of King again, anyone else think he looks like tails?

lol, yeah, he does. I think it's the way he is smiling. And their coloration is similar-ish.

[NoelL]

I like the 'cuter' look on the left better but hey maybe that's just me.

[Jimmy Jazz]

I agree with NoelL, I like the left one better.

Just saying.

[valerio]

King looks WAY cuter in the left pic. Eeeeee!!!

[Liam]

Aside from the minor alterations in his ears and hair it's presumably his bright expression which made people perceive a difference.

[Alex]

King looks WAY cuter in the left pic. Eeeeee!!!

I agree . But that doesn't mean I like him... he even left Joey sad and gloomy .

[Dylan]

I never noticed before, but I think that I'm finding king very cute lately. I think the hair is to blame for that...But really, we need more Sabrina! That is the cuteness I like! She appears as many times as Daisy!

[RaptorAnton]

I never noticed before, but I think that I'm finding king very cute lately. I think the hair is to blame for that...But really, we need more Sabrina! That is the cuteness I like! She appears as many times as Daisy!

And I really want to see a heart-piercing arc on Sasha...

[Jack]

you know what we are all forgetting? king is a HUMAN!!!

[Dylan]

you know what we are all forgetting? king is a HUMAN!!!

But very cute as a pet.

[RaptorAnton]

you know what we are all forgetting? king is a HUMAN!!!

As human he was a terrible person. As pet he is cute, at leats...

[NoelL]

Aside from the minor alterations in his ears and hair it's presumably his bright expression which made people perceive a difference.

His snout is notably shorter and some of his features are subtly more exaggerated. Why do people find chibi anime characters 'cute'?

[Ebly]

Consistency is difficult! Those are only subtle differences!

Anyway, I also think he looks cuter in the left panel of that comparison.

[Dissension]

A lot of the "inconsistencies" are (as someone has pointed out) due to perspective.

[Dylan]

King doesn't look so different, with or without those spots, but as always, someone is going to point it out.

[valerio]

Aside from the minor alterations in his ears and hair it's presumably his bright expression which made people perceive a difference.

His snout is notably shorter and some of his features are subtly more exaggerated. Why do people find chibi anime characters 'cute'?

Neotenism makes our parental instincts go full drive. 'Baby features' and 'puppy features' drive us to hug, protect and care for the character who shows said features when properly portrayed (i.e. when said character is not made grotesque by them. See the final movie of the first 'Drakengard' for reference.)

[Ebly]

Aside from the minor alterations in his ears and hair it's presumably his bright expression which made people perceive a difference.

His snout is notably shorter and some of his features are subtly more exaggerated. Why do people find chibi anime characters 'cute'?

Neotenism makes our parental instincts go full drive. 'Baby features' and 'puppy features' drive us to hug, protect and care for the character who shows said features when properly portrayed (i.e. when said character is not made grotesque by them. See the final movie of the first 'Drakengard' for reference.)

I thought she was asking the question rhetorically

[Buckdida]

King is very cute in the comic. This is impossible to argue!

Let's see. There have been so many people pointing out that King's eyespots are missing...yet is hasn't been changed (and Rick can ninja edit), so one can only assume that it was done purposefully. Alternatively...

A lot of the "inconsistencies" are (as someone has pointed out) due to perspective.

One spot is blocked by King's headfur, and the other isn't seen because his eyebrow is up due to his bright smile. Then, note how King has his eyespots in the next pannel; if that first panel had a mistake, I figure Rick would have fixed it by now.

[Liam]

Aside from the minor alterations in his ears and hair it's presumably his bright expression which made people perceive a difference.

His snout is notably shorter and some of his features are subtly more exaggerated.

The snout is most likely foreshortened due to the changed angle.

[YoruOokami]

One spot is blocked by King's headfur, and the other isn't seen because his eyebrow is up due to his bright smile. Then, note how King has his eyespots in the next pannel; if that first panel had a mistake, I figure Rick would have fixed it by now.

I thought of that too, but I more assumed that Rick left it because it really isn't that big of a deal. I only pointed it out because I thought it was humorous, as I do the same kinds of things all the time, so I related to it. I kind of saw it as inconsequential. But what you said is definitely possible, the one on the visible side of his face may very well have been intended to be crumpled up in his eyebrow, and wasn't actually an oversight at all.

[rickgriffin]

Let's see. There have been so many people pointing out that King's eyespots are missing...yet is hasn't been changed (and Rick can ninja edit), so one can only assume that it was done purposefully.

OR I have been busy with not-photoshop stuff and didn't think it was important enough to fix right away

[Foxstar]

Let's see. There have been so many people pointing out that King's eyespots are missing...yet is hasn't been changed (and Rick can ninja edit), so one can only assume that it was done purposefully.

OR I have been busy with not-photoshop stuff and didn't think it was important enough to fix right away

NO WAY.

[Jack]

Let's see. There have been so many people pointing out that King's eyespots are missing...yet is hasn't been changed (and Rick can ninja edit), so one can only assume that it was done purposefully.

OR I have been busy with not-photoshop stuff and didn't think it was important enough to fix right away

NO WAY.

[GameCobra]

WAI

And it didn't think it really mattered that much anyway, since i was too busy admiring King's awesome color and ears =P

and that forehead fur is to cool <3

[The Game]

I just realiized!!
King does have the white dots in the first panel, but they're higher cuz he's raising his eyes up!!!!
...
i feel observant!!!

[Dissension]

That is actually an edit; they were originally not there. Not that I think it was particularly important whether the white spots were visible.

[The Game]

...I lost my feeling of observancy....

[NoelL]

I thought she was asking the question rhetorically

Yes.

[Teh Brawler]

D'awhawhaw, poor Peanut.
And grape has a pet nickname now? This is going to start a war amongst comic fans.

[Sinder]

oh god

this arc is going to hurt me, isn't it

also: first panel needs a knock or a doorbell or something

unless peanut is psychic

like we need another psychic dog

[Teh Brawler]

oh god

this arc is going to hurt me, isn't it

also: first panel needs a knock or a doorbell or something

unless peanut is psychic

like we need another psychic dog

Tarot really found her match, eh?

[2MKc]

He forgot to colour his cute and adorable little tail.

[Buckdida]

Well well...this looks fun!

Hmm...I wonder if Tarot will show up as well? If she does... "Imaginate" indeed...

Also, the alt-text: Bwahahahaha! It's always okay if it's pretend, right? X3