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Re: Art Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:16 pm
by Buckdida
RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:
Buckdida wrote:
RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:It's alright, but I liked your old style better.
... you do realize that's an outright insult to his current piece of art, yes? Or a backhanded compliment at the least.

Offer some constructive criticism. Why don't you like this as much? Is there something you think he could improve? Any other experiments he can try? All you're doing right now is serving to deflate his motivation to try new things. Trying new things is very, very important for artists to improve and to stay motivated- to not get bored with their work.

Same even goes for if you DO like a piece, mind. Say what you like, what you notice, where you think the effort was put, and what you think could be improved.

At the very least, a comment on a piece can be for humor, or to create a discussion.

But that comment? Please tell me, what does your comment add AT ALL? I'm sorry to go off on a rant like that, but this just irked me.
I'm sorry if he takes it that way, It was not my intention. As I said, it's alright. It's actually pretty good, about on the same level as his other pieces. It's just a matter of taste that I preferred his old style, nothing specific. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this. Yes it can be improved, but so can his older works because there's always room for improvement. I don't have an artistic enough eye to discern exactly what I like about his old style or exactly where he can improve. If I could, I definitely would. My mom's an artist, and I know to tell her exactly where she could improve or if I don't think it's up to her standards.
This was fully up to Nick's standards, I just happen to prefer the old style.
Soooo... did your comment add anything? You failed to answer that. You also failed at first to say *why* you preferred his old style. If you like it because it's a matter of taste, then say that. Otherwise, the artist is left thinking, "Huh, well, why?" Intentions or no, your comment was at the very least, still a backhanded compliment.

For a bit of opinion in response to yours, I feel that artists use feedback mainly for future drawings, not as much to refine ones that they've already finished. Occasionally artists "redux" old pieces to see how they've improved. Revisions happen occasionally, but I think that's usually more for commission works where the costumer requests something, or pieces where the artist forget something and want to quickly add it in- or, of course, revising during the sketch stage (okay, maybe revisions do happen often. Just not as often on finished works). I also feel you don't need an "artistic eye" to be able to say "I like x because y" or "I dislike a because b." I'd like to think every bit helps, even if it's simple observations!

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:21 pm
by FlintTheSquirrel
On the topic of Nick's New Art Style, I guess I as well fall under the category of liking his old one more. I guess it may be because I enjoy art that looks nice with a lack of much detail. I also can not really give a suggestion because art is just something people's opinions guide the worth of.

This is not meant to dis-motivate you or anything, just the opinion I hold. ^^;

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:31 pm
by RandomGeekNamedBrent
Yeah, I know my comment could have been much more constructive, but at least I didn't say "it sucks" without explaining myself. I said "It's not bad" without explaining myself.

also, is this a finished work? it still has those red sketch lines. and who knows, maybe those are throwing off my sense of how good it is. Maybe I'd like it more without those. His other style looks goof even when he leaves in the red lines, maybe this style just doesn't work right when they're left in.

actually, looking at it again, squinting to the point where the red lines disappear, it does look better. i still prefer the old style as a matter of taste, but this is good.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:05 pm
by Buckdida
RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:Yeah, I know my comment could have been much more constructive, but at least I didn't say "it sucks" without explaining myself. I said "It's not bad" without explaining myself.

also, is this a finished work? it still has those red sketch lines. and who knows, maybe those are throwing off my sense of how good it is. Maybe I'd like it more without those. His other style looks goof even when he leaves in the red lines, maybe this style just doesn't work right when they're left in.

actually, looking at it again, squinting to the point where the red lines disappear, it does look better. i still prefer the old style as a matter of taste, but this is good.
A comment that's better than "really bad" can still be "bad," which makes it little better. And it was still a backhanded compliment, which is less than favorable, even if you didn't mean it. You should keep that in mind before saying something, next time. Be more clear, at the least.

Aaaaanyway. Nick! I like the new style and experiment. It's good to see a compromise between the old style that's yours and trying out new styles. It makes it look like yours while trying out new things. It's interesting to see how you added in a rounder head style while still keeping some of the boxey style we're used to seeing (seen in the glasses, eyes, chin and clothing). It's a good compromise, and I'd love to see more practice of it.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:00 pm
by Psykeout
what
how is that at all backhanded

He clearly said
"This is good, but here is why I don't like it, and it would be better if you did this"
That's plenty constructive I just don't

how

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:08 pm
by RandomGeekNamedBrent
he was still referring to the initial comment I think.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:19 pm
by Psykeout
Right, this one
RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:It's alright, but I liked your old style better.
You said
1) you didn't like this one
2) what he can do to make it better (be more like his old style)
and as a bonus, 3) you said that you still like this one, it's just not as good as you know he can be, in your opinion

That criticism is entirely constructive.
I really just don't see what Buck's issue is.

It could have been more constructive, but it's nothing to get up about

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:37 pm
by FlintTheSquirrel
The point is Nick is trying to go with a new style, not like his old one, so he does not want to have it more like the old one. I don't think Brent meant what you have for your 1st and 2nd point.

However, I do not know why what he said is bad. He voiced his opinion, and not all things written about art needs to be constructive. Just say what you feel.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:11 am
by NickCole
Guys.... I don't feel offended or discouraged in any way from Brent's comment at all. He just seems to have more appeal to my main style, t'is all. And I see Flint prefers my old style as well. Plus, it's not like I'm gonna move to a new style permanently. My aim is to get as many styles and be flexible as possible. Hence why I want to get 'rid' of my old style 'cause I'm too attached to it. And probably something I really enjoy with.

Other than that, I appreciate the comments and thoughts about it at least~ I honestly didn't think this would happen though.. = A=.. Also, Brent's comment was just preference. Sure, it doesn't help me how to improve but it helps me know what people enjoy seeing from me.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:43 am
by Shyanne
wow I haven't been on here in like forever! o.O Sorry for the absence!

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:40 pm
by Shirosune
...meh, okay I don't usually do this sort of thing, but I finally sketched something I'm at least semi-happy with so I figured I might as well. It's pretty rough but it's the best I've ever managed, I might actually line and possibly color it digitally later...don't really know though, haven't decided yet.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:20 am
by ReCreate
@Nick's drawing: Goodness. o_o That looks.. interesting. Good nonetheless. It's quite the sort of balance between realism and that sort of anime-style of yours. It takes a sort of getting used to but I quite like it. xD How'd animal people look mimicking this style as much as it can?

@Tiggy's silverdeni requrest: Wow! That looks awesome. Ten bucks for that? That's just crazy. o_o Either my past commisioners have been mad expensive or this artist is extremely cheap. x3 Someone's got to make a wallpaper with that drawing!

@Nick style argument: Good greif. Such a fuss over that guy stating he obviously objectively had preference for nick's old style over the new?? Madness.

@TV Head drawing: Is that person running windows? x3

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:41 pm
by QRS3000
http://www.ratemydrawings.com/drawings/ ... 63861.html
This is just another drawing from me. I realized after I had saved my drawing that I forgot to finish the left shoulder. Hopefully, it doesn't look too bad.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:07 pm
by yehoshua
Don't worry QRS3K, stumpy looks fine.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:31 am
by NickCole
Made another doodle and I used a reference for the pose 'cause I'm unable to make my own. ; AAA;

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Re: Art Thread

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:08 pm
by RandomGeekNamedBrent
looks awesome. ^_^

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:10 pm
by Leafolawl
NickCole wrote:Made another doodle and I used a reference for the pose 'cause I'm unable to make my own. ; AAA;

(too much pro to be in my posts)
LOOKS LIKE YOU OUT PRO'D YOURSELF, NICK!

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:29 pm
by 0404
nice drawing there NickCole

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Re: Art Thread

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:53 pm
by RandomGeekNamedBrent
cute drawing, tc

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:20 pm
by NickCole
D'awwww, that's cute~ ; w;

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:22 pm
by 0404
thanks ya'll
may I ask you for assistance Nick? I'm having hard time with drawing a fold on cloth.
I know practice is the only way of getting better, but I think little bit of knowledge would help.
how do I draw a fold and shadow on cloth?

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:17 am
by NickCole
Uhm...not sure how I can help but there are like TONS of references on the net. I just found a couple on tumblr like these two:

http://tairupanda.tumblr.com/post/13779 ... tslearnart
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0wqa ... o1_500.jpg

Sorry if I couldn't be of much help. D:

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 8:48 pm
by Jimmy Jazz
I ran into the IRC a couple days ago, and i decided I'd draw someone. House piped up and said he wanted his character drawn, so i did. the image itself is way too large for the forums, so I'll just have to direct you to the DA page.

Odd to think that three or four years after being introduced to the fandom, this is only my first or second "Furry" drawing.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 8:52 pm
by 0404
why you no working?
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Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 9:32 pm
by 0404
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some tf2 drawings

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:28 pm
by CaptainPea
I don't play TF2 but I like the jaw the doctor has going on there.
Sleet wrote:So at the zoo yesterday I came up with the idea of a ridiculous species: the giraffin.
Sleet wrote:It's a half giraffe, half eagle.
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Griffons don't have ears but this isn't a griffon so ha.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:46 pm
by RandomGeekNamedBrent
thank you, Pea.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:53 pm
by Blue Braixen
Pea, that is magnificent.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 12:03 am
by Sleet
That is exactly how I imagined it. <3

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 2:54 pm
by Laxan
You pulled off that pose well Nick.

And I love your style Pea, looks awesome.

This is a new style I screwed around with:
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Re: Art Thread

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:29 pm
by Shyanne
finally figured out how to get the lineart to look good :)

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:58 pm
by Leafolawl
Shyanne wrote:finally figured out how to get the lineart to look good :)

*insert instant-diabetes*
That... diabetes... inducing art style... it warms the hearts of all who see it... and kills them with it's sugary sweet looks. QwQ

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:52 pm
by CaptainPea
Ooh I like the colors on that second one, especially the little orange ring around the face, it's a nice highlight

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Because The Drowsy Chaperone, man
Yes this is an entirely silly and far too sequin-y outfit for a pilot, that's the point because the show is in large part a parody of musical theatre, especially its tendency to be flashy and unrealistic
But yeah meet Trix, she's an aviatrix, queen of the skies

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 4:23 pm
by 0404
any advice?
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Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 12:57 pm
by CY_Law
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Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 1:27 pm
by Tiggy
oh wow, law. that is amazing!

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:01 pm
by Obbl
texascat018 wrote:any advice?
I feel like it's harder to critique a rough sketch. You done a few fundamentals here which are done well. Could you improve? Yes. But where? Well, it's hard to tell because it's still a rough sketch. I don't know where you were going with it. There's less for me to see and critique. The work itself is at a stage where I feel like you could critique it better than I could. :?

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:08 pm
by Psykeout
Well golly I haven't posted anything here in a while.

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clauwns

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:18 pm
by 0404
Obbl wrote:
texascat018 wrote:any advice?
I feel like it's harder to critique a rough sketch. You done a few fundamentals here which are done well. Could you improve? Yes. But where? Well, it's hard to tell because it's still a rough sketch. I don't know where you were going with it. There's less for me to see and critique. The work itself is at a stage where I feel like you could critique it better than I could. :?
k I see what you mean. So I need real cool stuff like CY_Law's.

just a fact, I create the map in somesort of game tool then draw it in to drawings, so that I can see it in three dimension then put in in to 2-D drawings.

and nice drawing there Psykeout.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:01 am
by Laxan
Wow Law that looks awesome, I love the crystals.
Monkey Boy:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8017361/