My Little Pony

Penwrite · Post by **Penwrite** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:01 am

Rockstar, you're fantastic.

Post by **Sleet** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:51 am

This is Word of Faust, mind you. It's a step below Word of God because the writers can change it if they so choose. It's just what she'd do.

Penwrite · Post by **Penwrite** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:54 pm

Sleet wrote:This is Word of Faust, mind you. It's a step below Word of God because the writers can change it if they so choose. It's just what she'd do.

True, true. For example, I just prefer to think of Spike as having been raised by Twilight with help from Celestia, rather than by Celestia herself. Just adds something special to their relationship in my mind.

Also, anyone else here want to see The Music Man now that ponies has based one of their songs off of a song from that movie?

angelusbr · Post by **angelusbr** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:28 pm

Penwrite wrote:
Sleet wrote:This is Word of Faust, mind you. It's a step below Word of God because the writers can change it if they so choose. It's just what she'd do.
True, true. For example, I just prefer to think of Spike as having been raised by Twilight with help from Celestia, rather than by Celestia herself. Just adds something special to their relationship in my mind.

Also, anyone else here want to see The Music Man now that ponies has based one of their songs off of a song from that movie?

But the Word of Faust fits cannon better because of that line about the gala back in Ticket Master. But I also wish Twilight and Spike had a deeper relationship cannon wise, but I doubt we'll ever get a decent Twilight and Spike episode (the owl episode doesn't count. It almost destroyed Spike's character for me).

Post by **Sleet** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:33 pm

The Word of Faust currently fits canon well, but it might not always if the writers have other plans.

angelusbr · Post by **angelusbr** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:41 pm

Sleet wrote:The Word of Faust currently fits canon well, but it might not always if the writers have other plans.

I guess you're right. I wonder if this subject matter will ever be adressed again.
also, CR's review on this new episode!!!
http://blip.tv/familiar-faces/feedback- ... 00-5923576

exranio · Post by **exranio** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:24 pm

I think it's also important to remember that word of god doesn't always has to be listened to. Some like to call it "death of the author".
Basically meaning that nothing matters until it's actually part of the source material. If the author says something but never actually puts it into any official part of the story, it doesn't matter.

mariomarc · Post by **mariomarc** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:45 pm

well unless that backstory is changed, Applejack is now the best character

that was kinda sad to read

angelusbr · Post by **angelusbr** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:55 pm

exranio wrote:I think it's also important to remember that word of god doesn't always has to be listened to. Some like to call it "death of the author".
Basically meaning that nothing matters until it's actually part of the source material. If the author says something but never actually puts it into any official part of the story, it doesn't matter.

But if the word of Faust is actually better written than the actual cannon, i'll always think of her words as being the official cannon...in my head...

Post by **Sleet** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:11 pm

exranio wrote:I think it's also important to remember that word of god doesn't always has to be listened to. Some like to call it "death of the author".
Basically meaning that nothing matters until it's actually part of the source material. If the author says something but never actually puts it into any official part of the story, it doesn't matter.

I tend to disagree with the literary approach behind death of the author. So what the creator says is the correct interpretation of something goes.

angelusbr · Post by **angelusbr** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:57 pm

I guess we can only wait and see (also especulate a lot).
also, loved this pic
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/ ... 3kp4g6.jpg
also MLP Z
let the battle begin
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/ ... 4hb0z6.jpg

moar edit:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/cindymorrow
the writter of the episodes: Griffon the Brush Off,Winter Wrap-Up,The Show Stoppers,Owl's Well That Ends Well,Sisterhooves Social and Family Appreciation Day is leaving the show.

If it weren't for TSS,OWTEW ans SS, I would say I would terribly miss her

ctcmjh · Post by **ctcmjh** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:30 pm

RockstarRaccoon wrote: That's why Applejack is the most psychologically interesting character.

I wouldn't say that she's the most psychologically interesting character, as the other five of the mane six have very interesting personalities, mannerisms, and problems. I'd say it's a tie.

I really hope that the Word of Faust about AJ's parents somehow makes it's way into the show. It's fairly obvious that there's only four permanent residents of Sweet Apple Acres, so I hope they don't go and mess up all of the fanon.

But Applejack is Best Pony. At least until next Saturday, then whoever is the star of that episode will be Best Pony.

Post by **Sleet** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:31 pm

Most of the main characters are pretty psychologically deep.

So here's a tougher question: of the main six, which do you think is the least deep? I love her tons, but I'd have to say Fluttershy.

angelusbr wrote:I guess we can only wait and see (also especulate a lot).
also, loved this pic
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/ ... 3kp4g6.jpg
also MLP Z
let the battle begin
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/ ... 4hb0z6.jpg

moar edit:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/cindymorrow
the writter of the episodes: Griffon the Brush Off,Winter Wrap-Up,The Show Stoppers,Owl's Well That Ends Well,Sisterhooves Social and Family Appreciation Day is leaving the show.

If it weren't for TSS,OWTEW ans SS, I would say I would terribly miss her

She doesn't sound like one of the better writers, but it's still sad to see her go.

Also OH GOD ANATOMY WHY. D:

Penwrite · Post by **Penwrite** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:22 pm

angelusbr wrote:I guess we can only wait and see (also especulate a lot).
also, loved this pic
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/ ... 3kp4g6.jpg
also MLP Z
let the battle begin
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/ ... 4hb0z6.jpg

moar edit:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/cindymorrow
the writter of the episodes: Griffon the Brush Off,Winter Wrap-Up,The Show Stoppers,Owl's Well That Ends Well,Sisterhooves Social and Family Appreciation Day is leaving the show.

If it weren't for TSS,OWTEW ans SS, I would say I would terribly miss her

I would so totally watch that middle one if it were a real anime.

Also, I really don't get all the hate for Owl's Well That Ends Well. I like it.

Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:25 pm

I think it's not so much hate as it is indifference, at least, that's the case for me. It was the first episode I saw, so it left me with that "what's so great about this show?" feeling.

mariomarc · Post by **mariomarc** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:40 pm

i don't hate either, but to be honest it's not very memorable

Post by **Sleet** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:46 pm

I liked that episode! It focused on Spike and I like him. :3

exranio · Post by **exranio** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:09 pm

I think I'm going to stick with AJ's parents being dead till they come up in the show.
Yeah I'm horrible like that, deal with it.
Also Scootaloo is an orphan
Berry and Cheerilee come from a screwed up family and have horrible psychological prombems.
and Fluttershy's parents never saw her again after she fell from Cloudsdale.

Mod edit: That picture way way too big. Link it, edit it to be smaller, post it in media median, whatever. Just not here, not that big.

mariomarc · Post by **mariomarc** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:18 pm

that last one really doesn't make much sense, since we know she could go back anytime
and she does

RockstarRaccoon · Post by **RockstarRaccoon** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:17 am

exranio wrote:I think I'm going to stick with AJ's parents being dead till they come up in the show.

I don't think they're going to go back on that cannon: it's good character info, and there's no reason to make up anything else. To be honest, it might be cool for them to do an episode where they talk about it a bit, though, as I said, it'd have to be very carefully done to work...

Also Scootaloo is an orphan
Berry and Cheerilee come from a screwed up family and have horrible psychological prombems.
and Fluttershy's parents never saw her again after she fell from Cloudsdale.

I'm not sure there's any implication of this...

angelusbr · Post by **angelusbr** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:32 am

Penwrite wrote: I would so totally watch that middle one if it were a real anime.

Also, I really don't get all the hate for Owl's Well That Ends Well. I like it.

Spike is my favorite character and when he got an episode about him (the dog and a pony show is a Spike and rarity episode), the episode portrayed him as a major jerk.

exranio · Post by **exranio** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:10 am

Rockstar, do yo understand the concept of headcanon? Like, at all?

mariomarc · Post by **mariomarc** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:40 am

i know i don't

Penwrite · Post by **Penwrite** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:34 am

angelusbr wrote:
Penwrite wrote: I would so totally watch that middle one if it were a real anime.

Also, I really don't get all the hate for Owl's Well That Ends Well. I like it.
Spike is my favorite character and when he got an episode about him (the dog and a pony show is a Spike and rarity episode), the episode portrayed him as a major jerk.

I thought it portrayed him as a child, which he still is, even if he's had to mature some beyond his years due to being Twilight's assistant. And if you think about it, a lot of Spike's more drastic actions were partly Twilight's fault too. She never tried to understand or relate to how Spike might be feeling, just immediately assuming he was fine until he did something crazy.

Ebly · Post by **Ebly** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:14 am

exranio wrote:[massive picture]

Seriously? Is it that difficult to keep the posting of massive images to links or media median?

Don't do that, you legitimately made my crappy old laptop throw a fit trying to display it.

angelusbr · Post by **angelusbr** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:23 am

Penwrite wrote:
angelusbr wrote:
Penwrite wrote: I would so totally watch that middle one if it were a real anime.

Also, I really don't get all the hate for Owl's Well That Ends Well. I like it.
Spike is my favorite character and when he got an episode about him (the dog and a pony show is a Spike and rarity episode), the episode portrayed him as a major jerk.
I thought it portrayed him as a child, which he still is, even if he's had to mature some beyond his years due to being Twilight's assistant. And if you think about it, a lot of Spike's more drastic actions were partly Twilight's fault too. She never tried to understand or relate to how Spike might be feeling, just immediately assuming he was fine until he did something crazy.

Yes. Twilight did neglect Spike's feelings, but it felt weird to see Spike acting like that.
The reason why I love Lesson Zero so much is because Spike noticed how much bothered Twilight was with the letter problem and he did the best to help her, while no one else took Twilight seriously.
S I'm a bit bitter towards Twilight because of the owl episode.

Post by **Sleet** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:20 pm

It was just oversight. She didn't mean anything malicious by it... Twilight is kinda socially clueless.

ctcmjh · Post by **ctcmjh** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:14 pm

All of Spike's episodes portray him as an immature little boy. Because he IS an immature little boy. He's still a baby dragon, so it's expected that he act like a little baby dragon.

Post by **Sleet** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:48 pm

A lot of people expect too much out of Spike just 'cause he's cute. Children are basically the definition of cute-but-bratty.

angelusbr · Post by **angelusbr** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:19 pm

Sleet wrote:A lot of people expect too much out of Spike just 'cause he's cute. Children are basically the definition of cute-but-bratty.

Actually I expect him to be the wiset of the bunch. That's my headcannon at least...

Post by **Sleet** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:31 pm

What exactly is the difference between "headcanon" and "assumptions?"

KJOokami · Post by **KJOokami** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:09 pm

Yeah, I'm a big fan of all of the Spike episodes, honestly. Though the Spike-zilla episode was definitely the weakest of them (or maybe I'm just butthurt because I think Spike's too good for Rarity and the canon "shipping" was suuuuper obvious).

And though I really don't think it should be as funny to me as it is, the "who?" gag in Owl's Well That Ends Well cracks me up every time. :p

Edit: Also (also), I just thought I'd point out, since it's been done so many times in this thread, "canon" is the term used for official information in fandoms like this. A "cannon" is a large, metal piece of machinery designed to launch various objects over long distances (Example: Pinkie's "Party Cannon"). There is a difference.

angelusbr · Post by **angelusbr** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:33 pm

Sleet wrote:What exactly is the difference between "headcanon" and "assumptions?"

assumption: What I think it might happen in the future of the series or just think something happened and just wait for the confirmation from the writters.
headcannon: it's pretty much super fanon time inside of one's head. Headcannon, for me at least, is ignore all cannon evidence and make it up a new cannon in my own imagination, which makes me ignore all cannon evidence if the cannon contradicts my headcannon.

Foxstar · Post by **Foxstar** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:01 pm

Well fanon writers had been scrippting AJ's parents as being dead for ages and ages.

The 'Disney' dead parent thing isn't completely true. The Mouses and Ducks have very complex, almost too complex family lines, but they haven't really been explored from the time Walt died on, so it's just easier for anyone young to assume that Huey, Dewey and Louie for one's parents are dead when if I remember correctly, they aren't dead.

Disney is noticeable for it's huge family trees. The 'dead parents' thing started in the 70's, I believe.

As for Spike, Twil's lived with him all of his life and it's expected that she would disregard him at times because she doesn't get why he acts that way, but there's two things to remember.

He's a boy who's 'sister' is also basically his mom. The writers are likely still working out their relationship, because at first they couldn't decide if to treat him as her pet or assistant.

He's a dragon and in almost all dragon fiction I've read, dragons get possessive around stuff they feel is 'there's and are -really- possessive around those they have known from the time they hatched. Some even get violent if they feel they are being shunned for a interloper.

angelusbr · Post by **angelusbr** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:06 pm

Foxstar wrote:Well fanon writers had been scrippting AJ's parents as being dead for ages and ages.

The 'Disney' dead parent thing isn't completely true. The Mouses and Ducks have very complex, almost too complex family lines, but they haven't really been explored from the time Walt died on, so it's just easier for anyone young to assume that Huey, Dewey and Louie for one's parents are dead when if I remember correctly, they aren't dead.

Disney is noticeable for it's huge family trees. The 'dead parents' thing started in the 70's, I believe.

If I'm not mistaken, Faust said she wanted to put in the show that AJ's parents are dead, but she didn't because people were saying it was "dark"

Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:08 pm

Foxstar wrote:Well fanon writers had been scrippting AJ's parents as being dead for ages and ages.

The 'Disney' dead parent thing isn't completely true. The Mouses and Ducks have very complex, almost too complex family lines, but they haven't really been explored from the time Walt died on, so it's just easier for anyone young to assume that Huey, Dewey and Louie for one's parents are dead when if I remember correctly, they aren't dead.

Disney is noticeable for it's huge family trees. The 'dead parents' thing started in the 70's, I believe.

that's not where it started. Bambi's mom is dead. Dumbo's mom is dead. Cinderella had a step-mother and step-sisters, so we assume her mom is, again, dead.

Foxstar · Post by **Foxstar** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:09 pm

angelusbr wrote:
Foxstar wrote:Well fanon writers had been scrippting AJ's parents as being dead for ages and ages.

The 'Disney' dead parent thing isn't completely true. The Mouses and Ducks have very complex, almost too complex family lines, but they haven't really been explored from the time Walt died on, so it's just easier for anyone young to assume that Huey, Dewey and Louie for one's parents are dead when if I remember correctly, they aren't dead.

Disney is noticeable for it's huge family trees. The 'dead parents' thing started in the 70's, I believe.
If I'm not mistaken, Faust said she wanted to put in the show that AJ's parents are dead, but she didn't because people were saying it was "dark"

It got shot down, but given the targeted age group, it would have been a bit of a tough sale, because it would have needed it's own ep and children's programing always gets 'weird' when dealing with death.

RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:
Foxstar wrote:Well fanon writers had been scrippting AJ's parents as being dead for ages and ages.

The 'Disney' dead parent thing isn't completely true. The Mouses and Ducks have very complex, almost too complex family lines, but they haven't really been explored from the time Walt died on, so it's just easier for anyone young to assume that Huey, Dewey and Louie for one's parents are dead when if I remember correctly, they aren't dead.

Disney is noticeable for it's huge family trees. The 'dead parents' thing started in the 70's, I believe.
that's not where it started. Bambi's mom is dead. Dumbo's mom is dead. Cinderella had a step-mother and step-sisters, so we assume her mom is, again, dead.

2 out of three.

Dumbo's mom wasn't dead, just taken away. Cinderella wasn't 'Disney created' just Disney done.

Mod Edit: Please use the edit button and don't double post.

Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:13 pm

well I wasn't sure of that one. and I know Cinderella wasn't Disney created, but all of those movies with step-parents or step-sisters are usually what I see listed when someone is talking about the dead parents thing.

Penwrite · Post by **Penwrite** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:47 pm

KJOokami wrote:Yeah, I'm a big fan of all of the Spike episodes, honestly. Though the Spike-zilla episode was definitely the weakest of them (or maybe I'm just butthurt because I think Spike's too good for Rarity and the canon "shipping" was suuuuper obvious).

And though I really don't think it should be as funny to me as it is, the "who?" gag in Owl's Well That Ends Well cracks me up every time. :p

Edit: Also (also), I just thought I'd point out, since it's been done so many times in this thread, "canon" is the term used for official information in fandoms like this. A "cannon" is a large, metal piece of machinery designed to launch various objects over long distances (Example: Pinkie's "Party Cannon"). There is a difference.

*falls to knees, clasps hands together*

Thank you, thank you thank you THANK YOU! I am just so sick and tired of everyone on here getting "canon" and "cannon" confused! I was seriously beginning to think that nobody else in this thread knew the difference!

In more pony-related news, it occurs to me that we've seen Twilight's parents, Pinkie's parents, and Rarity's parents, and know that AJ's parents are dead. So...what's up with Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash?

KJOokami · Post by **KJOokami** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:13 pm

Penwrite wrote:*falls to knees, clasps hands together*

Thank you, thank you thank you THANK YOU! I am just so sick and tired of everyone on here getting "canon" and "cannon" confused! I was seriously beginning to think that nobody else in this thread knew the difference!

*bows*

Penwrite wrote:In more pony-related news, it occurs to me that we've seen Twilight's parents, Pinkie's parents, and Rarity's parents, and know that AJ's parents are dead. So...what's up with Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash?

I like to think that both Fluttershy and Dash's parents are living in Cloudsdale somewhere. Where? I dunno. I haven't really thought about it enough to come up with anything. And as we've yet to see any canon evidence suggesting their whereabouts or state of being, that's about all I can really say on the matter. Lol.