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WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. WHAT.

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Ok, now looking at the first strip lil'd demon appeared he did say his name was Breel... well kinda, followed by a "it can be". Griffin, what is happening? Because I don't know, yet I like it
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This a potentially terrifying development. There had been a hint or two that Breel was not a great being when he was alive...
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Gbr23 wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:04 am
WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. WHAT.
Well, the truth is... Insert Action scene with violence and noise and blood and guts. Did you get all that?

Everyone has a dark part,
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It told him quite the truth,
although it thought it lied.
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Keene got the better side...
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So we're just completely glossing over the how I guess. I shouldn't be surprised given the rules of magic have never been hard and fast things in the comic, but you'd expect more for a reveal like this. This is prime worldbuilding material and now I might never see where Rick could go with it because he decided he wouldn't.
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Well, it was explained that a person's good and bad parts are split upon death.
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The demon is a pine marten? Did he turn into one to spite Breel or was he always one? Still a cool change and I like the new look. Hope he keeps it.

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Important detail: He is tagged as NegaBreel


so... there´s that.
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I wonder what happens when NegaBreel meets Breel. Will he try to merge with or destroy Breel?


Also, the explanation for demons a few stips back makes me think of Armus in Star Trek TNG.

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D-Rock wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:16 am
Well, it was explained that a person's good and bad parts are split upon death.
Yeah, that was some five minute foreshadowing right there.

Though the fact that the demon introduced himself as Breel could have been a tip-off.

Of course, this also explains why people in heaven are so mellow - they're not actually their whole original selves. Breel, being returned to life, was still his wholesome heavenly self, because he was missing, well, this.

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I was thinking about this earlier today:
Eudoant said: We are the remnants of the parts unwanted by paradise, the shed vices surrendered by mortals upon release from their atomic husks. Does it mean when somebody dies, part of him goes to heaven and the other part goes to heck.
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Negabreel looks good, though. You're gonna have so much fun with Keene, aren't you?

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So he really was Breel all along. A part of him, at least.

Also, so that's what Eudoant meant back in The Process. When you die and go to heaven, the dark parts of your soul get sorted out and become a demon. And this is the demon made from the dark parts of Breel's soul.

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Ooh, this is getting goooood. I love that what Eudoant said earlier about the main souls pof people going to Heaven and the vices going to Heck (specifically, I think, Eudoant’s region of Heck, and other parts of Heck get the souls of the bad people) had such a specific and quick payoff with this.

I’m also curious what Eudoant plans to do with the other 2/3rds of the coin. The logic flow of turning the coin’s curs from one that turns humans into animals, into one that transforms demons into the negative version of their main counterpart, is pretty neat. I wonder if she has plans for the other two coins to try and give them to Craig & Draig and they have a different curse on them...

Any which way, this is an excellent plot-thickening and I’m excited to see what happens next!
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This makes me think... If all of the demons are the Denizens of Heaven, who is Eudoant? My guess is Great Kitsune, which has some serious implications of bad if they get time to actually set up fully...
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Oh, boy...nega-Breel...that's quite the bombshell. Looks like Breel's past is gonna catch up to him, and it's NOT gonna be good.

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Okay, questions: Since they've said that Heaven is timeless, is Heck also timeless?

Could Fall/Autumn and Winter be demons from Heck? (If Heck is timeless, they could already be there. That would mean all the cast could be there, too...)

...I just realized; if Heck is timeless, Peanut could meet a demon version of himself. Spoilers everywhere!
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leinglo wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:43 am
So he really was Breel all along. A part of him, at least.

Also, so that's what Eudoant meant back in The Process. When you die and go to heaven, the dark parts of your soul get sorted out and become a demon. And this is the demon made from the dark parts of Breel's soul.
That's what I think too..which means there's a Demon Rufus as well (Which would be interesting to see).
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Woah, I did not expect this

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I just re-read the Pandemonium part of Temple Crashers 2, and Dino did appear while Keene was shouting the name Breel out into the underworld and he was the only one who appeared.

I wonder if he is supposed to some fault of the living Breel, but I am not sure what it would be, maybe duplicity or deceit?

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Leotamer wrote:
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I wonder if he is supposed to some fault of the living Breel, but I am not sure what it would be, maybe duplicity or deceit?
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If he really is Breel's Bad half, I can see the two merging down the line. It's gonna get to the point where one can't live or function well without the other...

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Argent wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:06 am
Leotamer wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:26 am
I wonder if he is supposed to some fault of the living Breel, but I am not sure what it would be, maybe duplicity or deceit?
Gambling.

https://twitter.com/rickswriting/status ... 2677497857

And whoopin' and hollerin' and raisin' heck when regular folks are trying to sleep.

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Maybe we'll learn more about how he died. It was implied he was hit by a train. Maybe someone tied him to the tracks for not paying his debts?

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MrBlueSky7 wrote:
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If he really is Breel's Bad half, I can see the two merging down the line. It's gonna get to the point where one can't live or function well without the other...
Am I getting a Dark Crystal vibe out of this drift or is just old age and old coffee kicking in?

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Well, that was unexpected.
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MrBlueSky7 wrote:
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If he really is Breel's Bad half, I can see the two merging down the line. It's gonna get to the point where one can't live or function well without the other...
That direct idea was more of a Star Trek thing. I'm not sure we'll find that Breel needs the negetive half as much to live as he has since living with Keene. There is the fact that he's got a pretty cushy live on Earth right now and may not really "need" the negative aspects of his personality.

I'm not sure I'd be shocked to see a merged entity at some point in the comic, even if only breifly. I'd be curious if such a merger ruined the relationship.
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OMG! What!? :shock: How can it be? So, this means that little black demon is a sort of dark and bad form of Breel? His missing part? :? The coin has heavenly energies, and they gave him this transformation... :roll: Another bad opportunity you gave to Eudoant, due to your cursed coin, Steward. :| I would wonder the same too, though: how does this work? :P
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I just tossed this out in the Telegram chat, but there is a new issue here: Who are the intended recupients of the other two parts of the coin? Craig and Draig? Marion and Lois? A demon to be named later?
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In the last page of Not All Dogs, there is exposition that dog heaven is more lenient than human heaven.

I wonder how, and if, this plays into this.

In the The Four Animals You Meet In Heaven, Mr. Milton implies that the reason Heaven is so idyllic is because they have time to become their ideal self.

And this chapter says that demons are the discarded evils of morals rejected by Heaven, and while they are a demon, we got fairly good proof that something like that is happening.

Milton could have been the one lying, but the only way to square what Milton said and what we see from the demons is that perhaps there is some type of purgatory where people have the time to shed their evils themselves and due to some cosmic rule that evil can not be destroyed only banished.

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So... does this mean that when Keene drowned and ended up in Heaven, that his bad parts went to Heck? Is that why Keene is such a better human person weasel now than he was in the past? Hmm..! o:
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As a reminder, what Keene got from his trip from Heaven was, "Oh yeah, there is a temple that contains godly power in my backyard. Lets try that." which lead to a hole opening to Pandemonium in the first place and it was only after being sent there and then getting a boyfriend he started to mellow out.

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Cody wrote:
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So... does this mean that when Keene drowned and ended up in Heaven, that his bad parts went to Heck? Is that why Keene is such a better human person weasel now than he was in the past? Hmm..! o:
I think Keenes time in Heaven after being close to drowning is an anomoly. He never really had those parts of him discarded. Over time, he has learned to let some of those things mellow out. Breel seems to have been really seaperated from the worst of his soul. It'll be interesting to see how that progresses.
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I really should post my theories here because I was actually 100% correct in the evil Breel part.

Basically what this confirms is yes, like a lot of people have said, everyone in Heaven is their good sides, while everyone in Heck is their bad side. This also means since Heaven is timeless, Heck is timeless, which means that all those demons we saw in Heck during TC2 could potentially be ANY cast member. They just need a power source to turn back to their original form. I would assume that every single person goes to Heaven and Heck since nobody is perfect. Even a small portion of Peanut would go to Heck because even Peanut is not perfect. It does make me sad that odds are we won’t see any more Nega versions of characters outside of Breel and maybe like Todd since he seems to be a canon-fodder type character.

So unless Eudoant can re-use the coin piece, I highly doubt Nega-anyone will appear for the time being. This is meant to be a super long arc after all. This also makes me wonder about who is actually gonna use the last two pieces. Eudoant is most likely a demon who never had a mortal form. So he doesn’t need the coin. Steward isn’t dead, so the coin probably won’t affect him (until he bites the dust or maybe the coin can turn him into a demon idk). Craig and Draig will probably be targets, because if they get corrupted as mortals, maybe their celestial forms will as well. Which would cause chaos because now the demons would have two celestial beings who now are demonic and can probably bust into Heaven.

Overall I think this single event got me back into this arc. I was kinda just not feeling it at first, it seemed strange that we had basically a new cast being the main characters, and Tarot being really the only original cast member (Keene I guess too). But this is a nice turn if events and it opens up a lot of potential. So kudos to Rick for calling back to TC2, and now it’s time for me to carefully think about what will happen when NegaBreel and Breel meet! :D

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D-Rock wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:16 am
Well, it was explained that a person's good and bad parts are split upon death.
TheOne wrote:
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Okay, questions: Since they've said that Heaven is timeless, is Heck also timeless?
If Heck is timeless, Peanut could meet a demon version of himself. Spoilers everywhere!
They ALL could meet demon versions of themselves born from their dark sides...oh, boy...Nega-Breel just opened the floodgates for a whole "confront your demons...literally!" storyline for everyone!

Perhaps not in the immediate future...but eventually.

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The Blue Fox wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:39 pm
D-Rock wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:16 am
Well, it was explained that a person's good and bad parts are split upon death.
TheOne wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:13 am
Okay, questions: Since they've said that Heaven is timeless, is Heck also timeless?
If Heck is timeless, Peanut could meet a demon version of himself. Spoilers everywhere!
They ALL could meet demon versions of themselves born from their dark sides...oh, boy...Nega-Breel just opened the floodgates for a whole "confront your demons...literally!" storyline for everyone!

Perhaps not in the immediate future...but eventually.
Except for Bino :P His demon self is probably 100-times more nicer then him.
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SeanWolf wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:52 pm
The Blue Fox wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:39 pm
D-Rock wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:16 am
Well, it was explained that a person's good and bad parts are split upon death.
TheOne wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:13 am
Okay, questions: Since they've said that Heaven is timeless, is Heck also timeless?
If Heck is timeless, Peanut could meet a demon version of himself. Spoilers everywhere!
They ALL could meet demon versions of themselves born from their dark sides...oh, boy...Nega-Breel just opened the floodgates for a whole "confront your demons...literally!" storyline for everyone!

Perhaps not in the immediate future...but eventually.
Except for Bino :P His demon self is probably 100-times more nicer then him.
And Duchess, she’s worse than Bino, really.
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VoidGaming404 wrote:
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This makes me think... If all of the demons are the Denizens of Heaven, who is Eudoant? My guess is Great Kitsune, which has some serious implications of bad if they get time to actually set up fully...
Kind of makes sense since GK is the only other character to have broken the 4th wall. Tarot did too i think, but Iit was after he pointed it out

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Sir Chestnut wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:40 pm
VoidGaming404 wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:47 am
This makes me think... If all of the demons are the Denizens of Heaven, who is Eudoant? My guess is Great Kitsune, which has some serious implications of bad if they get time to actually set up fully...
Kind of makes sense since GK is the only other character to have broken the 4th wall. Tarot did too i think, but Iit was after he pointed it out
Imagine if...*shudders*...Eudoant is actually Tarot.
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