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Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:39 pm
by Kyuunado
The people who admit they are crazy are sane, but they are insane for calling themselves insane and so are crazy.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:53 pm
by Cesco
Nice find. For normal life is meant an urban life at home and such. Also, some tranquillity, something that apparently nobody wants to leave him.
ArcWolf wrote:Well, being abnormal is, in itself, a form of normality.
Because everyone's abnormal in some sort of way.
So true.
The Blue Fox wrote:I wholeheartedly believe that one has to be at least a bit abnormal/strange/crazy to survive in this abnormal/strange/crazy world.
Stay foolish.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:19 pm
by Kateleo007
Hlaoroo wrote:Kyuunado wrote:Indeed, we also always consider ourselves to be normal and other people are deviants. In this case we are all slightly crazy.
I disagree. I consider myself to be the strangest and craziest person in existence.
Ahh yes, but do you have an octopus on your head?
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:27 pm
by Hlaoroo
Urgh. Cephalopods. *shudders* I prefer to wear a banana skin, myself.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:39 pm
by Render
Hlaoroo wrote:I disagree. I consider myself to be the strangest and craziest person in existence.
I agree that you're totally strange and crazy. But you're for sure not the most crazy strange guy in this world. Don't be so overweening. 
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:59 am
by The Blue Fox
Kyuunado wrote:The people who admit they are crazy are sane, but they are insane for calling themselves insane and so are crazy.
That's kinda similar to that "This statement is false" paradox that someone mentioned earlier.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:06 am
by Kyuunado
Oh you mean "The next statement is a lie, I'm lying"?
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:11 am
by The Blue Fox
Not quite. But that's similar too. I mean the one someone mentioned that they used in Portal 2 where Glados tries to confuse Wheatley by saying something like "The statement that "this statement is false" is true, the statement that "this statement" is false is false...therefore "this statement is false" is false."
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:27 am
by RatHead
*BRAIN EXPLODES*
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:08 pm
by Mickey the Luxray
The Blue Fox wrote:Not quite. But that's similar too. I mean the one someone mentioned that they used in Portal 2 where Glados tries to confuse Wheatley by saying something like "The statement that "this statement is false" is true, the statement that "this statement" is false is false...therefore "this statement is false" is false."
That would be me who said that. You've got it pretty much right on the money.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:04 am
by The Blue Fox
RatHead wrote:*BRAIN EXPLODES*
Yeah it got my brain going over it a few times when I first saw it too.
Mickey the Luxray wrote:The Blue Fox wrote:Not quite. But that's similar too. I mean the one someone mentioned that they used in Portal 2 where Glados tries to confuse Wheatley by saying something like "The statement that "this statement is false" is true, the statement that "this statement" is false is false...therefore "this statement is false" is false."
That would be me who said that. You've got it pretty much right on the money.
Mmm...yeah I vaguely recall it being you now.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:02 pm
by RatHead
The Blue Fox wrote:RatHead wrote:*BRAIN EXPLODES*
Yeah it got my brain going over it a few times when I first saw it too.
Well then uhh, do you think that you could kindly explain it to me?
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:23 pm
by The Blue Fox
Hmmm...how best to explain that statement paradox to a simple minded Rathead...
...hmmm knowing me I'll probably only end up confusing him some more...I really don't do well at explaining things clearly. 
...I suppose I could start with breaking it down into sections...
The statement that "this statement is false" is true,
The statement that "this statement" is false is false,
Therefore "this statement is false" is false.
...okay so the paradox revolves around the somewhat unusual four-word sentence "this statement is false".
The first line is saying that the fact that it exists is true.
The second line says that only the first two words exist, which is false.
The third line is designed to throw you off by sort of re-iterating what the 2nd line says but re-positioning the closing speech marks back after the first "false" in the line where it was originally.
Iiii...really cannot explain it any better than that, I don't think.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:21 pm
by Obbl
If it is true that "this statement is false", then that makes the statement true. But in that case, it contradicts the statement making it false. But then that makes it true, which makes it false, which means Head Asplode!
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:32 am
by Mickey the Luxray
I actually got the possible solution wrong.
While the solution still revolves around the idea that every absolute statement implies it's own truth, the way it works is that in addition, the addition of an actual confirmation gives no more information than that of the sentence on it's own.
Example: 2+2 = 4 gives just as much information as "this is true: 2+2 = 4." So, if one were to say
"This statement is true and this statement is false"
Then the statement turns out to be an "A and not A," which means it is false by default. (Don't ask me how that works.)
But since the statement made gives no more information than the "paradoxical" sentence "This statement is false" by the logic made earlier, then the answer to both remains the same, so "This statement is false" is false.
At least, I think that's how it works.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:52 am
by Obbl
So they're turning it into a simple binary logic operation.
"This statement is false", is therefore the same as "A = false", which is (by definition) a true statement and creates no contradiction.
While this is an interesting way of avoiding the paradox, it ignores the heart of what the paradox
is. That is, the English language is ambiguous (as are all natural languages), or in this case it is at least imprecise, unlike logic statements. It relies on the fact that "statement" is self-referential. Thus to say that the statement "This statement is false" is a true statement, creates, by itself, an "A = false, A = true" paradox.
I can actually break that down into Boolean logic as well. "This statement is false" can be written as "A = false", where A represents the statement. We now can create a second variable to represent the truth of "A = false". If A is false, our new variable (B) is true, and if B is true, A must be false. So "A = false iff B = true" (where "iff" is read "if and only if"). This is all well and good, fine and dandy. However, because language is ambiguous, A represents the statement,
and B represents the statement. Which means our logic statement can also be written "A = false iff A = true", which makes no sense.
It's a neat trick of language, and very enjoyable to me.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:45 am
by Render
Something is just wrong...
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:02 am
by Mickey the Luxray
Obbl wrote:So they're turning it into a simple binary logic operation.
"This statement is false", is therefore the same as "A = false", which is (by definition) a true statement and creates no contradiction.
While this is an interesting way of avoiding the paradox, it ignores the heart of what the paradox
is. That is, the English language is ambiguous (as are all natural languages), or in this case it is at least imprecise, unlike logic statements. It relies on the fact that "statement" is self-referential. Thus to say that the statement "This statement is false" is a true statement, creates, by itself, an "A = false, A = true" paradox.
I can actually break that down into Boolean logic as well. "This statement is false" can be written as "A = false", where A represents the statement. We now can create a second variable to represent the truth of "A = false". If A is false, our new variable (B) is true, and if B is true, A must be false. So "A = false iff B = true" (where "iff" is read "if and only if"). This is all well and good, fine and dandy. However, because language is ambiguous, A represents the statement,
and B represents the statement. Which means our logic statement can also be written "A = false iff A = true", which makes no sense.
It's a neat trick of language, and very enjoyable to me.
English is fun! (English class isn't.)
But that is a good explanation. And probably the reason that the solution I found isn't accepted by the scientific community.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:45 pm
by Goforit
I must be more easily amused, I always thought the statement "careful of skating on thin ice, it can get you into hot water" was hilarious.
Logically it makes sense, though. If the ice is thin, clearly the water is too hot...
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:38 am
by Sleet
I doubt the water would get to the point of "hot" that soon before the ice melts, though!
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 12:24 pm
by RatHead
The Blue Fox wrote:Hmmm...how best to explain that statement paradox to a simple minded Rathead...
MUST... NOT... KILL...
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 12:38 pm
by Kyuunado
*grabs popcorn*
Ohhhh this could get good. Better than TV drama anyway.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 12:54 pm
by RatHead
*steals some popcorn*
*stalks The Blue Fox*
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 1:07 pm
by Kateleo007
What happened to Bob Hoskins? Everyone's really sad but they don't want to tell me why and I saw that something happened to him on the news right before my mom changed it to jeopardy.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 1:55 pm
by deepskycyan
Here's a roundup
It's so sad, really...
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 12:33 am
by Hlaoroo
Aw. I hadn't heard that. I'm not too familiar with him but I liked him in "Roger Rabbit".
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 10:41 am
by Sleet
I still haven't seen that. I feel like I'm missing out. DX
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 10:44 am
by The Blue Fox
Sleet wrote:I still haven't seen that. I feel like I'm missing out. DX
Haven't seen what? owo Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Dude, you should totally see it. It's a pretty awesome movie. I've seen it a handful of times myself. 
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 11:30 am
by GameCobra
Yeah, I didn't know who he was as an actor, but after seeing how much impact he had on these movies, it sucked.
I'll deeply miss him.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:43 pm
by Sleet
The Blue Fox wrote:Sleet wrote:I still haven't seen that. I feel like I'm missing out. DX
Haven't seen what? owo Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Dude, you should totally see it. It's a pretty awesome movie. I've seen it a handful of times myself.
I feel like a failure as an animation enthusiast!
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:50 pm
by Goforit
The general rule of thumb about movies is that there's always something ridiculously classic that you haven't seen. Just when you think you've seen them all, someone informs you of a movie that literally everybody else on the planet has seen but for some reason you haven't. X3
Unless you're Seth. Legend has it he's seen everything... twice.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 11:17 am
by Sleet
There's just way too many movies out there. Way too many for the average non-Seth, at least.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 11:44 am
by Mickey the Luxray
Goforit wrote:The general rule of thumb about movies is that there's always something ridiculously classic that you haven't seen. Just when you think you've seen them all, someone informs you of a movie that literally everybody else on the planet has seen but for some reason you haven't. X3
Unless you're Seth. Legend has it he's seen everything... twice.
I doubt he's seen Chronopolis. The official post of that movie had less than 20 comments on YouTube, and it only has 195 ratings on IMdB. It's so obscure that I almost forgot about it before now.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:29 pm
by Kateleo007
Probably not Disney's Song of the South either. It was banned several years ago and I only know about if because that's where the song Zip-Ah-De-Do-Dah (pretty sure that's not how it's actually spelled but it's close) came from.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 4:02 pm
by RatHead
well, I never saw roger rabbit, but I saw Hook, where he played Smee, and he was great in that....
But on the topic of movies, I think my brother/neighbor/I are hot on Seth's heels of movies seen...
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 11:11 pm
by Seth
Goforit wrote:The general rule of thumb about movies is that there's always something ridiculously classic that you haven't seen. Just when you think you've seen them all, someone informs you of a movie that literally everybody else on the planet has seen but for some reason you haven't. X3
Unless you're Seth. Legend has it he's seen everything... twice.
I'm actually kind of the worst film student ever. I ain't even like movies dog.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 12:37 am
by Mickey the Luxray
Who's Movies Dog and where can I meet him?
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 5:28 am
by Seth
Well he prefers films dog. That's his proper name so I'd use that until you get to know him better. He hangs around the best buy parking lot judging people's movie choices and biting people that buy anything with Kevin James in it.
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 12:57 am
by RatHead
Hey, Kevin James is funny!... well his standup is...
Women with movies and car doors...
Re: Chat Thread 41: Mod Maker
Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 2:08 am
by Kyuunado
I can't recall the last time I watched a stand up...
Must say something about my memory huh?