Reply to topic  [ 68 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner 
Author Message
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:41 am
Posts: 284
Location: The Spot (not Superdog)
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
So now Peanut is trapped in an alternate universe?


Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:56 am
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:45 pm
Posts: 174
Location: Twin Cities
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
RootsofOrigin wrote:
So now Peanut is trapped in an alternate universe?


I don't think he is, but my theoretical time travel is a bit rusty. Peanut should be out of the time loop now.

Peanut and Sgt. Cortez would get along quite well.


Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:56 am
Profile
Bringing Foxy Back
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:32 am
Posts: 15220
Location: Nephelokokkygia
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
Gah all this weird time stuff and multiple copies reminds me of Problem Sleuth.

_________________
Image
Questions? Comments? Concerns? Friendly banter? Feel free to click the "PM" button below!


Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:59 am
Profile WWW
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:27 am
Posts: 91
Location: Melbourne,Florida
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
atleast she didnt get mad this time


Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:10 am
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:27 pm
Posts: 1581
Location: Singing Fortepiano
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
Strange, I could have sworn that I've seen that Swami guy before...

_________________
2+2=22
Image


Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:40 am
Profile
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:36 pm
Posts: 1737
Location: Greetings from beautiful Place!
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
Sleet wrote:
Gah all this weird time stuff and multiple copies reminds me of Problem Sleuth.


Oh come on, what I'm doing is basically the beginner's guide to time clones.

_________________
I'm sure the cold hand of science will be able to overcome his magical powers


Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:04 am
Profile WWW
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:33 pm
Posts: 2289
Location: Somewhere between 8:30 and the color red
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
Yea, I've had no problem following what has been going on.

_________________
The best cymbal player ever has spoken.
ImageImage

JeffCvt is a copyright of jeffcvt inc. and not to be reproduced without the express written consent of CBS and jeff cvt.


Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:41 am
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:41 am
Posts: 284
Location: The Spot (not Superdog)
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
DanTwelve3 wrote:
I don't think he is, but my theoretical time travel is a bit rusty. Peanut should be out of the time loop now.
I know it's the same Peanut, but is he in a slightly different universe now? Look at the Swami-Hat Guy and the Other Swami-Hat Guy.


Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:23 pm
Profile
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:42 pm
Posts: 7743
Images: 0
Location: On Your Mind
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
One guy's at the entrance; another's at the "exit."

_________________
Never forget there are people who care, even if you've not met them.


Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:45 pm
Profile WWW
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:27 pm
Posts: 1581
Location: Singing Fortepiano
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
Dissension wrote:
One guy's at the entrance; another's at the "exit."


You're wrong. Actually, one guy's at the exit; another's at the "entrance".

_________________
2+2=22
Image


Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:52 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:41 am
Posts: 284
Location: The Spot (not Superdog)
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
You both have compelling arguments.


Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:53 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:36 am
Posts: 1703
Location: New Jersey (The Abyss)
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
There are actually three Peanuts (Future Peanut, Present Peanut, and Past Peanut) between the two comics, but yes, the Peanut that we are following is now out of the time loop.

Future Peanut walked away from the table and through the door (this was off-screen; before the comic), came out the other side and walked by Present Peanut, whom he suggested do the same (in order to avoid a time paradox). So Present Peanut walked through the door as well, came out the other side and walked by Past Peanut, and suggested he do the same (again, to avoid a paradox). Now Present Peanut will continue on in the comic as usual, and Past Peanut will be left to follow the same turn of events, warn Further Past Peanut, and so on and so forth.

_________________
~Proud owner of the 2011 Post of the Year Award~

| It's an INSANITY thing; you wouldn't understand. |

Ponies.


Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:43 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:27 am
Posts: 3706
Location: Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
KJOokami wrote:
There are actually three Peanuts (Future Peanut, Present Peanut, and Past Peanut) between the two comics, but yes, the Peanut that we are following is now out of the time loop.

Future Peanut walked away from the table and through the door (this was off-screen; before the comic), came out the other side and walked by Present Peanut, whom he suggested do the same (in order to avoid a time paradox). So Present Peanut walked through the door as well, came out the other side and walked by Past Peanut, and suggested he do the same (again, to avoid a paradox). Now Present Peanut will continue on in the comic as usual, and Past Peanut will be left to follow the same turn of events, warn Further Past Peanut, and so on and so forth.


Then again, it may not be so infinite and just require the process to be done just once more. Sometimes it only has to be corrected once and everything is fine and dandy afterwards.

_________________
3 words - Liquid Metal Fur
ImageImage


Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:55 am
Profile
Bringing Foxy Back
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:32 am
Posts: 15220
Location: Nephelokokkygia
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
rickgriffin wrote:
Sleet wrote:
Gah all this weird time stuff and multiple copies reminds me of Problem Sleuth.


Oh come on, what I'm doing is basically the beginner's guide to time clones.
You say that now, but then Fiesta Peanut is going to come up, and the future/past splitting's gonna happen, and it's just going to be one big clustercuss for everyone.

_________________
Image
Questions? Comments? Concerns? Friendly banter? Feel free to click the "PM" button below!


Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:15 am
Profile WWW
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:27 am
Posts: 3706
Location: Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
Sleet wrote:
You say that now, but then Fiesta Peanut is going to come up, and the future/past splitting's gonna happen, and it's just going to be one big clustercuss for everyone.


Even worse... Spot Peanut.

Punching Sound Effects made real.

_________________
3 words - Liquid Metal Fur
ImageImage


Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:36 am
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:36 am
Posts: 1703
Location: New Jersey (The Abyss)
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
GameCobra wrote:
Then again, it may not be so infinite and just require the process to be done just once more. Sometimes it only has to be corrected once and everything is fine and dandy afterwards.

It's infinite by the very nature of its existence. It can't work any other way (that I'm aware of). Because if Peanut were to not go back in time (thence walking by his past self), there would be two Peanuts in a single time period, which is generally a bad thing. Which means he's kind of forced (by his own curiosity more than anything, I suppose) to walk through the door, which will continuously repeat the cycle for eternity.

Everything is fine and dandy though, because no single Peanut stays in the loop for more than the time that was shown in the last two comics. So while we can't, and won't (unless Rick decides to come back to this at some point to spite me), see the loop any more, it'll still be there.

_________________
~Proud owner of the 2011 Post of the Year Award~

| It's an INSANITY thing; you wouldn't understand. |

Ponies.


Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:39 pm
Profile
laughing maniacally
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:42 pm
Posts: 16519
Location: an invisible, flying volcano over Virginia
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
KJOokami wrote:
GameCobra wrote:
Then again, it may not be so infinite and just require the process to be done just once more. Sometimes it only has to be corrected once and everything is fine and dandy afterwards.

It's infinite by the very nature of its existence. It can't work any other way (that I'm aware of). Because if Peanut were to not go back in time (thence walking by his past self), there would be two Peanuts in a single time period, which is generally a bad thing. Which means he's kind of forced (by his own curiosity more than anything, I suppose) to walk through the door, which will continuously repeat the cycle for eternity.

Everything is fine and dandy though, because no single Peanut stays in the loop for more than the time that was shown in the last two comics. So while we can't, and won't (unless Rick decides to come back to this at some point to spite me), see the loop any more, it'll still be there.

but Time travel means that all of time is always in existence. people assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.

_________________
I'm a shape-shifter. I'm currently in whatever form I feel like
Image
Paradigm Shift by me
I do not actually believe any of what I'm saying.
RP character sheets


Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:02 pm
Profile YIM
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:27 am
Posts: 3706
Location: Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
KJOokami wrote:
It's infinite by the very nature of its existence. It can't work any other way (that I'm aware of). Because if Peanut were to not go back in time (thence walking by his past self), there would be two Peanuts in a single time period, which is generally a bad thing. Which means he's kind of forced (by his own curiosity more than anything, I suppose) to walk through the door, which will continuously repeat the cycle for eternity.

Everything is fine and dandy though, because no single Peanut stays in the loop for more than the time that was shown in the last two comics. So while we can't, and won't (unless Rick decides to come back to this at some point to spite me), see the loop any more, it'll still be there.


Actually, in this case, there's a gate which is being used for both the beginning and the end in this case, so there's definitely a way to end it, it just depends on the nature of the gate. Peanut can either go through a infinite loop or only has to go through with it once to end it, depending on the nature of the gate.

Time is infinite, but it ain't invincible. It's just complicated because there's a beginning and an end, and if the inbetween ain't fixed properly, it keeps going and going. In this case, Peanut actually fixed the problem properly and actually wrapped it up nicely. It depends on the nature of the gate whether there will be a loop or not.

Edited because i keep calling it a door instead of a gate X3

_________________
3 words - Liquid Metal Fur
ImageImage


Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:12 pm
Profile
Smiley McSmiles
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:56 pm
Posts: 950
Location: The Housepets Forum ^^
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
@GC and KJ
Well, really from a 4th dimensional viewpoint this only happens once, and with only one Peanut. It's our limited 3rd dimensional viewpoint that causes us to think of this in terms of multiple Peanuts and infinitely repeating processes.
The term time loop is actually the best way to describe it. In 3D, while walking forward we can decide to add a loop to our path. The same is true in 4D except the loop can also be through time. We see 2 Peanuts, but it's really just 1 Peanut taking a detour through time and overlapping with a point in time where he has been before.
(This is, of course, if my understanding of the 4th dimension is correct).

So it actually should appear infinite. If at some point the "process" stops, it contradicts the fact that Peanut made a loop in time. Peanut cannot both make a loop in time and not make a loop in time (A & !A is false).

_________________
Image


Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:43 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:41 am
Posts: 284
Location: The Spot (not Superdog)
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:
time blah blah blah, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.


That's all I picked up. l:B


Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:27 pm
Profile
laughing maniacally
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:42 pm
Posts: 16519
Location: an invisible, flying volcano over Virginia
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
RootsofOrigin wrote:
RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:
time blah blah blah, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.


That's all I picked up. l:B

don't worry, that was the important part.

_________________
I'm a shape-shifter. I'm currently in whatever form I feel like
Image
Paradigm Shift by me
I do not actually believe any of what I'm saying.
RP character sheets


Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:31 pm
Profile YIM
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2012 4:14 pm
Posts: 835
Location: None of your buisness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
woow... Mr.Root, I agree with you!

_________________
Life is like a fairy tale... a pretty grim one, but a fairy tale still
Image
Image
Image
I LIKE Image!!!


Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:24 am
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:36 am
Posts: 1703
Location: New Jersey (The Abyss)
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
Obbl wrote:
We see 2 Peanuts, but it's really just 1 Peanut taking a detour through time and overlapping with a point in time where he has been before.

That's kinda what I was getting at. There is only one Peanut, but when he loops back in time and meets himself, there are now two entities involved. So there are two of entities, but they are the same in every way. Think of them as "time clones".

As Brent pointed out, in this theory, there is technically a version of Peanut which exists for each and every millisecond of his life. So, say Peanut got a hold of a time machine which allowed him to travel back to any point of his life as many times as he wanted. He could travel back four seconds, meet himself, take that "time clone" with him, and travel back eight seconds, collect another clone of himself, and so on and so forth until he'd amassed a literal army of himself that he could bring back to another point in time.

But that's how paradoxes are created. If Peanut took himself away four seconds before he entered the time machine, then he never would have entered the time machine to go back and get himself, and therefore he couldn't have gone back four seconds to take himself, which means that he could enter the time machine to go back and take himself.

And I forgot where I was going with that.

Something about paradoxes keeping Peanut from doing anything but continuing in the loop indefinitely.

_________________
~Proud owner of the 2011 Post of the Year Award~

| It's an INSANITY thing; you wouldn't understand. |

Ponies.


Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:14 pm
Profile
laughing maniacally
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:42 pm
Posts: 16519
Location: an invisible, flying volcano over Virginia
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
ah, but what if current Peanut returned 4 seconds ago Peanut to 2 seconds between the two points and that Peanut went in the time machine?

_________________
I'm a shape-shifter. I'm currently in whatever form I feel like
Image
Paradigm Shift by me
I do not actually believe any of what I'm saying.
RP character sheets


Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:30 pm
Profile YIM
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:41 am
Posts: 284
Location: The Spot (not Superdog)
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
Ummm... what?


Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:50 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:36 am
Posts: 1703
Location: New Jersey (The Abyss)
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:
ah, but what if current Peanut returned 4 seconds ago Peanut to 2 seconds between the two points and that Peanut went in the time machine?

But then what happens when four-seconds-ago Peanut takes the time machine back to four-seconds-ago to retrieve four-seconds-ago Peanut? There will be no one there to pick up.

_________________
~Proud owner of the 2011 Post of the Year Award~

| It's an INSANITY thing; you wouldn't understand. |

Ponies.


Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:23 pm
Profile
laughing maniacally
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:42 pm
Posts: 16519
Location: an invisible, flying volcano over Virginia
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
but there will be, because he'll have become current Peanut and the 4 seconds ago peanut will be there since he hasn't yet been picked up by current Peanut.

_________________
I'm a shape-shifter. I'm currently in whatever form I feel like
Image
Paradigm Shift by me
I do not actually believe any of what I'm saying.
RP character sheets


Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:29 pm
Profile YIM
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:47 pm
Posts: 1079
Location: Argentina
Post Re: Arc #61: PsyCon2: PsyConner
Huh, I think you are over-thinking this :?

_________________
ImageImage


Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:34 pm
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 68 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
  • Advertisement
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.
Designed by ST Software for PTF.