Chat Thread XXX: It's Not What You Think

[Kitela]

Don't worry. Today is opposite day, so everything is the truth, including this lie.

[Irony]

im having flashbacks of portal 2

i wish wheatley was here to help me solve these logic paradoxes

[Kitela]

I'm just kidding. :3

Opposite day doesn't exist.

[Sleet]

im having flashbacks of portal 2

i wish wheatley was here to help me solve these logic paradoxes

I'd be Wheatley for you but sadly I'm not British.

[Irony]

It's okay if you're not British! You can still be my Wheatley.

IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAAANNNN

[Sleet]

Nope, no idea.

[Irony]

[CaptainPea]

I think punctuational attempts to convey the tone of sentences, as a general rule, destroy the intention of the sentence. Question marks are necessary for clarity, and exclamation points, when used sparingly, can be useful, but experimental marks like irony marks and interrobangs remove the finesse of the irony and interrogatory-exclamatiousness (respectively) that they are meant to indicate.

"Sir, he's uninformedly ranting about language to nobody in particular again!"

[Sleet]

I agree about irony marks, but interrobangs serve a useful purpose and aren't always trying to express finesse. It's not really necessary, though, considering we can always use the two punctuation marks together rather than invent a new one. You did what with my golf clubs?!

[Daggy]

Interrobang is just an absurdly silly word. We must use it more often.

[Blue Braixen]

What the heck is an interrobang?

I swear. So silly.

[CaptainPea]

I agree about irony marks, but interrobangs serve a useful purpose and aren't always trying to express finesse. It's not really necessary, though, considering we can always use the two punctuation marks together rather than invent a new one. You did what with my golf clubs?!

I think it looks better with the exclamation point first (!?), but that's just one of those rules I invented for myself because I like minor arbitrary rules and didn't think English had enough.

What the heck is an interrobang?

I swear. So silly.

Interrobang‽

An "irony mark" is just a backwards question mark that somebody invented for no reason.

[Sleet]

Sarcasm marks would be nice to have though.

[CaptainPea]

Sarcasm marks would be nice to have though.

I dunno, I feel like noting it would make it sound less clever, although people use emoticons this way sometimes anyway, so it might not be that different.

[Psykeout]

PEOPLE KNOW WHAT IRONY MARKS ARE YES YES YES YES YES I LOVE EVERYONE WHO EXISTS BUT MOSTLY PEA AND TO A LESSER EXTENT SLEET.

My world civ teacher thought it was interesting to be told what an irony mark is.

[Leafolawl]

I'm loving these forums cause they teach me stuff I don't know.

*writing stuff down in a notebook*
*BRICK'D*

[RandomGeekNamedBrent]

okay, who Brick'd Leaf for being studious? ten points from Gryffindor. (or whatever house the bricker is from.)

sarcasm marks wouldn't take away from anything. Sarcasm is usually spoken in a tone of voice that makes it obvious it's sarcasm. new punctuation marks should only be used when tone of voice usually tells you what kind of statement is being made. irony is rarely actually spoken, so irony marks are useless.

[CaptainPea]

I'm loving these forums cause they teach me stuff I don't know.

*writing stuff down in a notebook*
*BRICK'D*

Why would we brick you for being studious?

okay, who Brick'd Leaf for being studious?

Don't ninja me with my exact words! How dare you.

sarcasm marks wouldn't take away from anything. Sarcasm is usually spoken in a tone of voice that makes it obvious it's sarcasm. new punctuation marks should only be used when tone of voice usually tells you what kind of statement is being made. irony is rarely actually spoken, so irony marks are useless.

Meh, I just think that a sarcastic tone of voice is more subtle than the glaring backwards question mark or whatever one could theoretically use to indicate sarcasm. Maybe that's just me.

My world civ teacher thought it was interesting to be told what an irony mark is.

Were they aware of irony marks?

Guys we should use backwards exclamation points to indicate exclamatory irony and oh wait

[Leafolawl]

Don't worry, I'm okay! I'm only bleeding from my ear a little.

Being studious is something I enjoy, actually.

I'm loving these forums cause they teach me stuff I don't know.

*writing stuff down in a notebook*
*BRICK'D*

Why would we brick you for being studious?

I don't know, 'cause I was randomly studious maybe?

okay, who Brick'd Leaf for being studious?

Don't ninja me with my exact words! How dare you.

That's one of the greatest pictures ever.

Guys we should use backwards exclamation points to indicate exclamatory irony and oh wait

Where was this sentence going? 'cause it's confusing me.

[RandomGeekNamedBrent]

okay, who Brick'd Leaf for being studious?

Don't ninja me with my exact words! How dare you.

I like big words too, dude. (studious isn't that big a word, but it's not used nearly often enough.)

Meh, I just think that a sarcastic tone of voice is more subtle than the glaring backwards question mark or whatever one could theoretically use to indicate sarcasm. Maybe that's just me.

how about a question mark without a dot? it's subtle.

[Psykeout]

A guy once told me, that you'll only be great at sarcasm once you're the only one who knows that you're using it, so I never use a tone unless I WANT them to know. Meaning i'm being friendly and silly. Which is basically me on the internet at any time. So I will use the irony mark from now on.

[Daggy]

A guy once told me, that you'll only be great at sarcasm once you're the only one who knows that you're using it

Yee, I'm great at sarcasm!

[RandomGeekNamedBrent]

I'm great at sarcasm on the internet. big accomplishment.

[CaptainPea]

Meh, I just think that a sarcastic tone of voice is more subtle than the glaring backwards question mark or whatever one could theoretically use to indicate sarcasm. Maybe that's just me.

how about a question mark without a dot? it's subtle.

It'd look weird if the sentence wouldn't normally end in a question mark, though.

Guys we should use backwards exclamation points to indicate exclamatory irony and oh wait

Where was this sentence going? 'cause it's confusing me.

It wasn't going anywhere; try mirroring an exclamation point.

A guy once told me, that you'll only be great at sarcasm once you're the only one who knows that you're using it, so I never use a tone unless I WANT them to know. Meaning i'm being friendly and silly. Which is basically me on the internet at any time. So I will use the irony mark from now on.

I don't normally speak that emphatically (my voice is incredibly exciting), but my friends have learned that when my voice drops to a total monotone that I'm probably not being sincere.

[RandomGeekNamedBrent]

Meh, I just think that a sarcastic tone of voice is more subtle than the glaring backwards question mark or whatever one could theoretically use to indicate sarcasm. Maybe that's just me.

how about a question mark without a dot? it's subtle.

It'd look weird if the sentence wouldn't normally end in a question mark, though.

then a dotless exclamation point would be better. then if it's a sarcastic question, a dotless interrobang.

[CaptainPea]

how about a question mark without a dot? it's subtle.

It'd look weird if the sentence wouldn't normally end in a question mark, though.

then a dotless exclamation point would be better. then if it's a sarcastic question, a dotless interrobang.

Hmm, a dotless exclamation point could be mistaken for an l or an I...

What if we gave the exclamation point two dots?
Or what if we just repurpose a seldom used already existing character? Like an up tack (⊥) or French quotation marks (« »)?

[Tattorack]

It may be a little late but...... anybody online?
Question answered

RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:


CaptainPea wrote:


RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:
how about a question mark without a dot? it's subtle.


It'd look weird if the sentence wouldn't normally end in a question mark, though.



then a dotless exclamation point would be better. then if it's a sarcastic question, a dotless interrobang.



Hmm, a dotless exclamation point could be mistaken for an l or an I...

What if we gave the exclamation point two dots?
Or what if we just repurpose a seldom used already existing character? Like an up tack (⊥) or French quotation marks (« »)?

Inventing new easy to use symbols are a pain in the.... you get the point

[RandomGeekNamedBrent]

we are talking in an internet forum right now. we're all online. also, it says who's online at the bottom of the forum.

[Tattorack]

Yeah I noticed.... little online thing under avatars...

[RandomGeekNamedBrent]

also, don't interrupt the flow of conversation to ask if anyone's here or say hi. just talk. this is a chat thread, not a chat room.

and now, back to discussion of punctuation.

[CaptainPea]

Inventing new easy to use symbols are a pain in the.... you get the point

I say we do what mathematicians do and steal a character from a dead and/or foreign alphabet.

Let's use Sampi, ϡ.

[Tattorack]

(sorry)......
Punctuation is already difficult as is without new symbols...
PLEASE NO NEW SYMBOLS

[RandomGeekNamedBrent]

but I thought we were going for subtlety.

[Tattorack]

Let's use Sampi, ϡ.

Wow, what an easy symbol to remeber
How about ¬

[CaptainPea]

but I thought we were going for subtlety.

About halfway through the discussion I forgot about what we were going to use the symbol for and just started cavorting through Wikipedia looking for symbols I liked.
I do think up tacks can find their place, though.

Let's use Sampi, ϡ.

Wow, what an easy symbol to remeber

"It's like a Euro symbol, except it's rotated a little less than 225 degrees counter-clockwise and then uncurled, but only, like, halfway, like if you were trying to uncurl paper and it went back sorta flat, but not all the way."

[Tattorack]

Now I get it..... yeah........


Wouldn't emoticons do most of the expressive work?
I mean.. thats what they're for..

[Psykeout]

Emoticons look awesome on school essays, you should try it.

on the internet, the irony mark is ":P," which doesn't express any emotion at all. Smile means happy, frown means sad, eyebrows can also add things. Visible tongue means "don't be mad at this sentence it's meant in some sort of playful way"

I like randomly seeing what symbols my keyboard knows how to make.
Θ, *, s, ë, √, ☺.

phun phact:

"☺" is nowhere on the internet according to google.

[Blue Braixen]

What the heck is an interrobang?

I swear. So silly.

Interrobang‽

An "irony mark" is just a backwards question mark that somebody invented for no reason.

That's just lazy. It ain't that much more work to type out both marks.

Yay for remembering to get on the forums more~

[Psykeout]

actually, typing !? is MORE lazy, as an interrobang requires either remembering a code and 5-6 keystrokes, INCLUDING a hold-down, or looking it up and copy-paste, which is a whole nutha level of over-complication. !? is TECHNICALLY grammatically incorrect, though you see it used everywhere books are sold and their neighbors. Only someone dedicated to adhering to strict conventions would take the trouble.

[The Grey Wolverine]

I'm no good at punctuation, it's one of those things that makes me question why I am a writer, I can't spell, usually I have very bad punctuation, and I always have run on sentences. Still, I think maybe bolding certain words would work.