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Croissants came from Austria. >.>
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I fail at pastrylogy. Forgive me. I actually speak zero French apparently. Carry on.
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I fail at pastrylogy. Forgive me. I actually speak zero French apparently. Carry on.
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It's cute when people think Shakespearean English is Middle or even sometimes Old English. It's not.
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Si, es "Discusion". Ya que la literalmente la traduccion de "Thread" es "Hilo" no tiene mucho sentidoSleet wrote:¿En Español, dicen "thread" en la Red? ¿No hay una palabra Español para "thread" cuando estan hablando del foros?
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Si, creia que "hilo" era una traduccion mala. ¡Ingles goberna la Red!
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I don't find it cute so much as annoying.Ebly wrote:It's cute when people think Shakespearean English is Middle or even sometimes Old English. It's not.
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More annoying is when people don't even speak it the right way.
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I'd rather someone call Romeo and Juliet an example of accurate Middle English than an example of a perfect romantic relationship.
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I'd agree with that, but that's like agreeing that a punch in the face is better than two broken legs. Or something.
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"Oh my love, we can be just like Romeo and Juliet!"
"Just like them? Alright, you go first. >:3"
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well given this is a topic about languages, i'd find it more annoying if people said that it was a perfect example of romance
at least calling it the wrong form of english is slightly more relevant
at least calling it the wrong form of english is slightly more relevant
I was going to make a joke but then I did.
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That was cold. >.>
I'm always surprised at how different Old English is from current English. On one hand, the name is kind of deceptive in that way, though on the other hand, it is what they spoke in England in old times. On the topic of related languages, I'm kind of jealous of some other languages that have very similar languages spoken still today. Almost no one speaks Scots, and German is far from mutually intelligible.
I'm always surprised at how different Old English is from current English. On one hand, the name is kind of deceptive in that way, though on the other hand, it is what they spoke in England in old times. On the topic of related languages, I'm kind of jealous of some other languages that have very similar languages spoken still today. Almost no one speaks Scots, and German is far from mutually intelligible.
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I know somebody who speaks Scots.Sleet wrote:That was cold. >.>
I'm always surprised at how different Old English is from current English. On one hand, the name is kind of deceptive in that way, though on the other hand, it is what they spoke in England in old times. On the topic of related languages, I'm kind of jealous of some other languages that have very similar languages spoken still today. Almost no one speaks Scots, and German is far from mutually intelligible.
Also, Dutch is easily understandable, at least if you know both English and German. I remember watching Attack of the Show (which for the record, I absolutely hate), and they had this clip of something or another and it was in Dutch, and the guys were being their normal terrible selves and they spoke of how they couldn't understand what was going on, but it was funny anyway...and I thought it was totally understandable. Really, sometimes Dutch just sounds like guttural English. Doesn't much read like it though.
Also, Old English is...old, and English had a lot of different influences come into it and change it. Unlike say, Modern Icelandic, which to my non-specialist ears and eyes, is basically exactly like Old Norse.
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Well Middle English was both prior to the Great Vowel Shift in English, so basically imagine taking this Middle English, which is already a far cry from Modern English in its pronunciation of words, and bringing it back closer to its West Germanic origins. It's little wonder Old English is so different to Modern English.
On the other side of the scale, the High Germanic consonant shift messed things up significantly enough that Luxembourgish, Yiddish, German etc. are now sufficiently unintelligible to speakers of other Germanic languages. Sure, there's always borrowing, but there's at least one reason why words with identical origins have ended up so different between English and German. I didn't even think it made sense for English to be Germanic when I first started exploring linguistics. Shows how much I knew.
On the other side of the scale, the High Germanic consonant shift messed things up significantly enough that Luxembourgish, Yiddish, German etc. are now sufficiently unintelligible to speakers of other Germanic languages. Sure, there's always borrowing, but there's at least one reason why words with identical origins have ended up so different between English and German. I didn't even think it made sense for English to be Germanic when I first started exploring linguistics. Shows how much I knew.
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Oops. My bad. Don't worry about it... I either make myself look like an idiot here, or make an idiot of myself on my French tests. Sooo.... it's fine. =)ChewyChewy wrote: I don't mean to correct your French, but it's "Parlez-vous anglais?" I can't correct the "C" in "francais" because I don't know how to do special letters....
I know I need the 's' looking thing (cidilla?) on francais, but I don't know how to do that character either. xD
Nice to meet you Alex M. I'm only in French 1, so I got:Alex M. wrote: Je suis Alex. Je suis Français, et cela est la seule langue que je parle.
I am Alex. I am French, and (something) is the (something) language (when? too sleepy to pull out notes atm.) I speak.
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Well, better here than on your French tests.Beagle wrote:Oops. My bad. Don't worry about it... I either make myself look like an idiot here, or make an idiot of myself on my French tests. Sooo.... it's fine. =)ChewyChewy wrote: I don't mean to correct your French, but it's "Parlez-vous anglais?" I can't correct the "C" in "francais" because I don't know how to do special letters....
I know I need the 's' looking thing (cidilla?) on francais, but I don't know how to do that character either. xD
Nice to meet you Alex M. I'm only in French 1, so I got:Alex M. wrote: Je suis Alex. Je suis Français, et cela est la seule langue que je parle.
I am Alex. I am French, and (something) is the (something) language (when? too sleepy to pull out notes atm.) I speak.
I THINK it's "I am Alex. I am French, and that is the only language that I speak."
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Yeah, that's pretty much what I saw.ChewyChewy wrote:I THINK it's "I am Alex. I am French, and that is the only language that I speak."
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It is, but he lied. He told me this before. E|:P
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Shhhhhh!dalonewolf25 wrote:It is, but he lied. He told me this before. E|:P
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Since Chinese is my first language, so my brain auto-translates. Too bad I don't get to see Chinese characters as squiggly lines!
Although a lot of non-English alphabet foreign languages still appear like squiggly lines to me.
Although a lot of non-English alphabet foreign languages still appear like squiggly lines to me.
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Since I've learned a few kanji (hanzi) from Japanese I do see the individual characters.
So instead of a bunch of squiggly lines, they look like little individual blocks of squiggly lines
Now Thai looks like a bunch of squiggly lines to me
So instead of a bunch of squiggly lines, they look like little individual blocks of squiggly lines
Now Thai looks like a bunch of squiggly lines to me
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Yeah, when it comes to reading symbols from other languages my mind just goes blank, no matter how many times I'm told what it is.
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Cyrillic just looks like bizarre Greek to me. I have some knowledge of what the symbols usually sound like, but I have to think about it. I can't just read it phonetically like I can Greek.
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This is my sentiments exactly!Sleet wrote:Cyrillic just looks like bizarre Greek to me. I have some knowledge of what the symbols usually sound like, but I have to think about it. I can't just read it phonetically like I can Greek.
Cyrrilic looks like bizarre Greek.
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To me, Greek looks like bizarre Cyrillic. Huh, go figure.
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Vos quereis una palabra lóbregua asi que os estoy dando lo mas inusitado que he de conocer. Vos no me odieis si antes no he cumplido con su expectativa, espero que lo que os he convidado satisfaga su discernimiento sobre el español que he de hablar.Sleet wrote:That's not an obscure word! There's no fun in that!
Well there is.Some of the most obscure words that i know of the Spanish.
Maybe because in Spanish are "Aches Mudas"Sleet wrote:Anyway, you had be beat at "erre." I still can't roll my R's. Then again, you probably have/had trouble pronouncing our H's.
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And in English "r" and "rr" sound exactly the same.
You also had the nerve to be using the obscure "vosotros" conjugation, making it even worse.Alex M. wrote:Vos quereis una palabra lóbregua asi que os estoy dando lo mas inusitado que he de conocer. Vos no me odieis si antes no he cumplido con su expectativa, espero que lo que os he convidado satisfaga su discernimiento sobre el español que he de hablar.
Well there is.Some of the most obscure words that i know of the Spanish.
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Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, but i'm not accustomed to write on Old Spanish >:(Sleet wrote:And in English "r" and "rr" sound exactly the same.You also had the nerve to be using the obscure "vosotros" conjugation, making it even worse.Alex M. wrote:Vos quereis una palabra lóbregua asi que os estoy dando lo mas inusitado que he de conocer. Vos no me odieis si antes no he cumplido con su expectativa, espero que lo que os he convidado satisfaga su discernimiento sobre el español que he de hablar.
Well there is.Some of the most obscure words that i know of the Spanish.
Vos ha de abominarme por mi deficit del suficiente discernimiento del español.
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something about squiggly lines?
anyway, I'm pretty sure cyrillic is derived from greek
what about armenian though?
anyway, I'm pretty sure cyrillic is derived from greek
what about armenian though?
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Как вы думаете, кто говорит по-русски?
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English, French, and some various con-langs.
I'd show my most recent creation, but I'm not done with the font. This is my first time moving away from pure oligosynthism, because in pure oligosynthism, I found either a bloated alphabet arises, or bloated words. There is also the risk of having ideas you may not be able to accurately portray.
My last language (that had a font made - it also has a base-25 numeric system):
The one I'm currently working on is nearly finished... I'll likely post something on it then. This one has a base-24 (so it also supports 3 as a root)
There was an intermediate version that was never finished - it has a base-16
(Note: versions prior to the base-25 used base-any magnitude of 10 (ie, 10,100,1000,10000,etc) due to a neat trick in glyph generation)
I'd show my most recent creation, but I'm not done with the font. This is my first time moving away from pure oligosynthism, because in pure oligosynthism, I found either a bloated alphabet arises, or bloated words. There is also the risk of having ideas you may not be able to accurately portray.
My last language (that had a font made - it also has a base-25 numeric system):
The one I'm currently working on is nearly finished... I'll likely post something on it then. This one has a base-24 (so it also supports 3 as a root)
There was an intermediate version that was never finished - it has a base-16
(Note: versions prior to the base-25 used base-any magnitude of 10 (ie, 10,100,1000,10000,etc) due to a neat trick in glyph generation)
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Why not base 12? That seems a lot cleaner.
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It looks very nice.Avan wrote:English, French, and some various con-langs.
I'd show my most recent creation, but I'm not done with the font. This is my first time moving away from pure oligosynthism, because in pure oligosynthism, I found either a bloated alphabet arises, or bloated words. There is also the risk of having ideas you may not be able to accurately portray.
My last language (that had a font made - it also has a base-25 numeric system):
The one I'm currently working on is nearly finished... I'll likely post something on it then. This one has a base-24 (so it also supports 3 as a root)
There was an intermediate version that was never finished - it has a base-16
(Note: versions prior to the base-25 used base-any magnitude of 10 (ie, 10,100,1000,10000,etc) due to a neat trick in glyph generation)
But oligoynthism? Why? There aren't any languages like that in real life!
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Anyone care to define "oligosynthism" for me?
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A messed-up term that only conlangers knowSleet wrote:Anyone care to define "oligosynthism" for me?
it took me a good while to find that
I was going to make a joke but then I did.
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I've made a few conlangs myself. They're usually made by me going "wouldn't it cool if a language sounded like X, but had grammar and syntax like Y?"
For example, I made a language with Japanese-like grammar, and Old Norse phonology.
For example, I made a language with Japanese-like grammar, and Old Norse phonology.
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I never get very far with a con-lang because creating an entirely new vocabulary always seems such a daunting task
<--(me at all the new words I gotta make)
So now I'm all over base 30
(1/2 = 0.BBBBBBBB... vs 1/2 = 0.F)
<--(me at all the new words I gotta make)
I was all over base 25 once... then I looked at the fractions... a system where 1/2 is an infinite decimal makes me laughAvan wrote:My last language (that had a font made - it also has a base-25 numeric system)
So now I'm all over base 30
(1/2 = 0.BBBBBBBB... vs 1/2 = 0.F)
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English
Some; french, german, russian (romanised), italian, spanish
And a few words in latin
Some; french, german, russian (romanised), italian, spanish
And a few words in latin
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At some point you have to balance the number of factors with the number of digits. Bigger bases mean more convenient fractions but really complicated sets of digits. Smaller bases make for easier digits but more complicated fractions. In my opinion the best balance is base 12.Obbl wrote:I never get very far with a con-lang because creating an entirely new vocabulary always seems such a daunting task
<--(me at all the new words I gotta make)I was all over base 25 once... then I looked at the fractions... a system where 1/2 is an infinite decimal makes me laughAvan wrote:My last language (that had a font made - it also has a base-25 numeric system)
So now I'm all over base 30
(1/2 = 0.BBBBBBBB... vs 1/2 = 0.F)
1/2 = .6
1/3 = .4
1/4 = .3
1/5 = .(2497), which can be approximated as .25
1/6 = .2
1/7 = .(186A35), which is pretty terrible but is equally terrible in most bases
1/8 = .16
1/9 = .14
1/A = .1(2497), which can be approximated as .125
1/B = .(1)
1/10 = .1
Not counting the ties,
Advantage decimal: 1/5 and 1/10 (1/A)
Advantage duodecimal: 1/3, 1/6, 1/9, 1/11 (1/B), 1/12 (1/10)
I'd call it worth the other two digits.
...Does the numerical part of languages still count as on-topic, or should we either shut up or make a new thread?
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