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Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:27 am
by Beagle
KJOokami wrote:It's unfortunate for me that this new Pokemon game looks so promising, seeing as I don't have a 3DS and I'm not gonna be buying one any time soon.
*high fives KJOokami* I'm in the same boat! The 3DS is a lot cheaper than I thought it would be, though. $160 isn't really that bad when you consider the price of even a used console today.
Esquire Fox wrote: But seriously, this is basically Nintendo's best attempt at getting people to upgrade to the 3DS.
Agreed. As much as I love the other games out there, I didn't love them enough to consider upgrading to the 3DS.
Esquire Fox wrote:I'm also looking forward to Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity.
There's something about the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series that is just so charming. I'm glad they are continuing it.
WE ARE NO LONGER FRIENDS.
;p
Sleet wrote:I AM SO FREAKING EXCITED.

These look great! The graphical upgrade is awesome, the new designs are great, and I'm just looking forward to it all around!
I KNOW!

I am just all over this like white on rice. :3

@angelusbr- I love the deer legendary. :3 Pokemon X for me!

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:03 pm
by Sleet
I don't usually choose based on legendaries since I tend not to like the designs of the titanic ones, and I don't let myself use anything with over 580 base stats anyway.
RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:Is it safe to assume you'll be choosing the fire starter, Sleet?
What makes you think that?

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:55 pm
by RandomGeekNamedBrent
Sleet wrote:
RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:Is it safe to assume you'll be choosing the fire starter, Sleet?
What makes you think that?
cause fox.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:00 pm
by Sleet
You would be right. I want to name mine Chrome!

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:11 pm
by RandomGeekNamedBrent
Sleet wrote:You would be right. I want to name mine Chrome!
WHY WOULD YOU DO SUCH A THING!?!?

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:58 pm
by Sleet
RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:
Sleet wrote:You would be right. I want to name mine Chrome!
WHY WOULD YOU DO SUCH A THING!?!?
What's wrong with a fire fox named Chrome?

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:05 pm
by RandomGeekNamedBrent
it's like an opera called "Safari"

on nother note, I feel I may jump onto the Pokemon bandwagon with this game. and I'm a fire starter. (a twisted fire starter)

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:09 pm
by JeffCvt
On the sorta same note as Brent with these games, I may jump off of the bandwagon with these.

It looks good, but Pokemon Black/White was so-so for me, I haven't even bothered to get past the 4th gym in Black2/White2 (And that's saying something because I would love to get to my personal favorite area in all of the games, Hoenn).

I was personally hoping for a Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald remake because they were my favorite games in every aspect. The story, the music, the pokemon, the starters, everything. I disliked Black2/White2 enough that I'm not going to even consider buying the game until it's been out, I hear about it from my friends, read about it online, and am sure it's decent in more than just the graphics.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:25 pm
by GameCobra
I'd play Pokemon too, but I bought too many games this year as it is. @_@ I'd start with a firestarter too. Name him FireEyes. Starter Pokemon are never females.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:07 pm
by angelusbr
Legendary names announced too
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6958297088/hF69658CF/
As for picking the games based on legendaries, I bought pokemon black and then bought white 2 without seeing the cover of the the white 2 (thinking that Zekrom would be in this game). I ended up with 2 Reshrams (I had to trade my latias for a japanese zekrom. Thankfully I had two latias thanks to my pokemon Soul Silver full pokedex).
In case someone wondered, nobody wanted my second Reshram.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:57 pm
by Sleet
Those names look pretty bad. Also, Xerneas looks like something from Phantasy Star Online.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:18 pm
by McFly
JeffCvt wrote:I was personally hoping for a Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald remake because they were my favorite games in every aspect. The story, the music, the pokemon, the starters, everything.
I'm with you on this one. I just hope they're still considering a remake.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:32 pm
by Beagle
GameCobra wrote:Starter Pokemon are never females.
There is a 12.5% chance of your starter being female. I have a level 74 Swampert somewhere.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:45 pm
by Nyaliva
I always found it weird how some pokemon looked distinctly male or female and yet still had both genders. I know you need to have both, it just looks a bit funny.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:50 pm
by Sleet
They were male or female by human standards. I'm sure members of that species don't see the males as feminine or the females as masculine.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:09 pm
by Nyaliva
Oh I'm sure, you could even say that it wouldn't be weird to the people in the game, but being outside the game I know the pokemon were designed by people, impressed with the same stereotypes of male and female as I, so at first glance it strikes me as weird.

But then you could also say, because there are only 2 sprite sets for each pokemon (standard and shiny), we never get to see any of the subtle differences that there would be between male and female pokemon. *shrugs*

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:27 pm
by JeffCvt
No, some pokemon do have different sprites for the male and female. Not all do, but some.

And some are really hard to notice unless you've already been told about it.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:00 am
by Sleet
Then there's Pikachu with the indented tail that people used to assume Ash's Pikachu is male. Which it ultimately turned out to be for unrelated reasons.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:54 am
by GameCobra
Beagle wrote:There is a 12.5% chance of your starter being female. I have a level 74 Swampert somewhere.
then i must be horribly unlucky. I never got a female starter Pokemon :lol:

As of this post, I'm tempted to try my luck.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:22 am
by angelusbr
Before I reseted my pokemon black game, I got a female Oshawott. Then I picked another Oshawott and it was male.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:10 am
by KJOokami
Esquire Fox wrote:October isn't any time soon. Take your time.
Nah. I mean like, 2-plus-years-from-now "any time soon". I'm already splurging on getting myself to a convention this March (only because I was offered a spot on a VA panel; which is a pretty big deal for me), so with me wanting to get my school loans paid off ASAP, and only getting just above minimum wage working night shifts at a diner nearby, I just can't bring myself to actually buy a 3DS just for this game. If I start making significantly more money than I am now, and my loans start getting paid off quicker than expected, then I might be able to snag it a few months after release. But I honestly don't see that being the case.
GameCobra wrote:then i must be horribly unlucky. I never got a female starter Pokemon
Yeah, they certainly exist. I actually got a female Cyndaquil when I started SoulSilver a couple weeks ago. :P
Beagle wrote:*high fives KJOokami*
*high fives*

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:10 pm
by Esquire Fox
KJOokami wrote:Yeah, they certainly exist. I actually got a female Cyndaquil when I started SoulSilver a couple weeks ago. :P
I received a female Cyndaquil in SoulSilver as well. I was very surprised when I first noticed the female symbol on my starter. After I found out the ratio, I felt pretty lucky.
Through the game, it added a little extra character to my starter, which was nice since the whole theme of the game was interacting with your Pokemon and characterizing them.

While we are on the topic of Pokemon, what sort of teams have you guys been using?
Do you stick with just your starter through the whole game till it one hits everything in your path?
Do you raise a strategic and powerful set of 6 that would hold their own in any battle?
Perhaps you just grab some of your favorites and disregard stats and power all together.

In SoulSilver, I had a team of just two: A Typhloshion named Pharoah and an Ampharos named Tesla.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:14 pm
by Beagle
Esquire Fox wrote:While we are on the topic of Pokemon, what sort of teams have you guys been using?
Do you stick with just your starter through the whole game till it one hits everything in your path?
Do you raise a strategic and powerful set of 6 that would hold their own in any battle?
Perhaps you just grab some of your favorites and disregard stats and power all together.

In SoulSilver, I had a team of just two: A Typhloshion named Pharoah and an Ampharos named Tesla.
Ah, the electric and fire-type pairing. I use it myself. :P It's a powerful combination when used correctly, although the minute a rock type move gets thrown, we cry and arrange our final Wills.

I raise a strategic team of six that could knock the socks off of any opponent. I focus heavily on my fire type, water type, and electric type. I keep a rather powerful grass type and dark type, and the final is normally an HM mule or a random Pokemon to the mix or my Rayquaza.

My Pokemon's move sets are strategic as well, and well-equipped for any situation. For example, here are my current four main Pokemon in White 2:
Samurott (because I hate Tempig that much):
Slash
Surf
Revenge
Fury Cutter
(As soon as I discover a good grass type move, Slash will be gone.)

Arcanine:
Dig
Flame Burst
Reversal
Flamethrower

Ampharos:
Tackle
Signal Beam
Discharge
Power Gem

Zoroark:
Fury Swipes
Faint Attack
Night Slash
Foul Play
(He needs a better variety of moves, I know. I only recently started using him.)

I also have a Virizion and Braviary to cover up any weaknesses I may encounter. But this is just for White 2, which I have barely worked on. If I had ALL my Pokemon in a single game, you can bet Rayquaza would be used instead of Braviary, and I would have to closely consider who I'd swap Virizion out for.

You know what would be nice?
If they made this for all the versions. This whole "nine games for the DS family" is getting messy.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:30 pm
by KJOokami
I tend to play for a mix of optimum stats and favorites on my first playthrough of the games, generally looking up all the Pokemon available beforehand. I start off by forming a team of various types that blend well together, pick a few Pokemon of each of those types (taking secondary types into account as I go) that have the best mix of stats and moves, and then choose my favorites of those.

Once I've beaten the main story, though, just about anything is fair game. I've done the "Pick a starter; never use anything else" strategy a few times before. In fact, my personal record for beating Sapphire is actually from one of those runs. I believe I was using Torchic, and I ended up beating the Elite Four at just over 8 hours of play time. Hardly a world record, but still pretty darn quick for me.

Slightly related: I actually think one of my favorite aspects of the Mystery Dungeon series was the fact that pretty much every Pokemon you can get is viable to be on your team. So you have a ton more freedom in your choices than you would in the normal Pokemon games. Plus, I just love the concept. :3

Edit: Also,

[quote="Beagle"]It's a powerful combination when used correctly, although the minute a rock type move gets thrown, we cry and arrange our final Wills.[/quote]
I believe you mean a ground type move. :P Rock is only super effective against fire, flying, and ice (and bug?).

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:54 pm
by Beagle
Ah, yes, ground. I have a self-made type chart hanging on the wall in my room, and I was looking at it from too far away with my glasses off. Nearsightedness FTW!

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:47 pm
by KJOokami
Beagle wrote:Nearsightedness FTW!
Another trait we have in common.

*high five Round 2*

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:57 pm
by Beagle
KJOokami wrote:
Beagle wrote:Nearsightedness FTW!
Another trait we have in common.

*high five Round 2*
Yeah! *mach punches*
Oh wait.
Sorry there, normal-type, I'll be sure to drag your unconscious body onto the ambulance gurney.
BETTER TAKE HIM TO A POKEMON CENTER.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:16 am
by KJOokami
It's alright, they were hoping to see me again anyway.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:49 am
by Sleet
I used to optimize and make a semi-competitive team, but now I just have a better time playing like I did as a kit: just catching what I'm interested in and using what I like. If I want a specific species, I might look up where to find it, but other than that I just try to play organically.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:53 am
by angelusbr
I'm still struggling to make a competitive team. EV training correctly takes time and I initially thought that only the pokemon who deffeated the pokemon was to one to get EV, but I then discoreved that exp also transfer EV, which means that I "ruined" a few special attack pokes with attack EVs. Luckly there are berries that fix this mistake, but I can only get 5 of them each them and if I'm luck to get them at all.
I want to do a ninjask (holding focus sash) with swords dance+speed boost+batom pass to transfer the boost to a ursaring who holds a flame orb/toxic orb (I'm thinking of toxic orb since burn stat reduces attack) to use facade.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:55 am
by Blue Braixen
I've never made a competitive team. I don't worry about stat totals and just go for what I like or have nice attacks. It's a game to have fun with. :3

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:57 am
by Dissension
That's the approach I follow.

I still wanna teach Energy Ball to a Vulpix. x3

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:49 am
by Nyaliva
I usually try to make a strategic team, especially if I know the types I'll be facing, however it always includes my starter (I literally never go anywhere without my starter in my party). I usually base my strategy on the attacks, I always had a sleep move in the party, known by a strong pokemon then I had a lot of high powered stab attacks. I didn't pay much attention to stats but I usually had at least one attack that affected them, mostly by chance.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:48 pm
by Sleet
Dissension wrote:That's the approach I follow.

I still wanna teach Energy Ball to a Vulpix. x3
I actually did that. You have to breed it onto a Vulpix by breeding a lady-Vulpix/lady-Ninetales with a boy with Energy Ball.

I'm not above breeding for moves but I don't EV train anymore.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:28 pm
by angelusbr
I EV train because otherwise my pokes would be killed without even a chance to deffend themselves.
I don't breed for IVs thou. This one is waaay too complicated and time consuming for me.
edit: for black/white players just use tm 53 and teach vulpix energy ball. you don't have to breed t get it.
edit2: nevermind

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:18 am
by Sleet
The games themselves are easy. There's no need to EV train unless you intend to play other people or try to succeed in the "Battle [whatever]". Hence why I don't EV train, 'cause I don't focus on that.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:29 am
by Esquire Fox
As a kid, I would always just use my starter until it would beat everything. For the first and second generations, I trucked along with the fire starters. Come generation 3, I started using a lot of the legendaries. I ran the elite four so many times that I maxed out my Rayquaza, Kyogre, and Swampert. With generation 4, my team focused on Darkrai and Empoleon. With generation 5's Pokemon Black, I played through the game with Dewott and Victini. I never liked the final evolution for Oshawott, so I handicapped myself with an everstone and I found the game much more challenging (and fun!). Finally, with Pokemon Black 2, I caught on to EV and IV values. I breed a great IV Zorua with a timid nature and Dark Pulse in my Black version and traded it into Black 2 to be EV trained as I played. I paired her along with Dewott, Victini, Lucario, and Ampharos. The Zoroark ended up being incredibly powerful, capable of sweeping everything with Nasty Plot and an array of elemental moves. It was a lot of fun managing a whole team, but I don't think I'll focus so much on EV training in the future. IV breeding was incredibly difficult and I don't think I'll ever try it again, haha.

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Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:55 am
by Nyaliva
...Is it bad that I don't know what EV or IV means...? :?

There was a magazine yonks ago called GBA World, it was the most awesome magazine I ever read. I remember there was an article in it on the Nintendo DS when it was soon to come out. Soon after that, they basically wrote a goodbye letter in the intro of the magazine and that was the last issue ever printed, I assume it just became obsolete since the GBA wasn't current anymore. I might get into the new Nintendo Force magazine since the game magazine I currently get on occasion is filled with Xbox and PS3 games I don't really care about. :P I can usually be sure I'll at least be a little interested in a new game if Nintendo released it.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:56 pm
by Sleet
IV stands for "individual value." Basically, every single Pokémon has an IV for each of its stats. A Pokémon with the best possible IV for a stat will have 31 more points in it at level 100 than a Pokémon with the worst possible one. These are randomized the minute you encounter the Pokémon and cannot be changed.

EV stands for "effort value." Every Pokémon has a certain number of EVs (1 to 3) that are distributed across different stats when you beat them in battles. This means if your Pokémon fights a ton of defensive Pokémon, it will accumulate a lot of defense EVs. By level 100, every 4 EVs equal 1 stat point. A Pokémon will continue to earn EVs from every battle until they reached 510 EVs. And note that a Pokémon cannot receive more than 255 EVs in a single stat. Or 252, effectively, since going all the way to 255 means 3 EVs can never go into actually gaining your Pokémon stats.

Both of these are virtually invisible, which is why so many people aren't aware of them. They really don't come into play unless you battle at a very high level. For people who just play the games and don't get caught up in competitive stuff, all that matters is the IV and EV system help make individuals of the same species more unique.

Re: Discussion: Video Games

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:40 pm
by Nyaliva
Oh okay that makes perfect sense... :shock:
What? No, my eyes are permanently stuck open like that...

Seriously though, that would be a lot of fun to work on if I didn't have several games in my possession that I still had yet to start (darn you Steam sales!). I could never get super-duper into RPGs, I usually just play along and attach items and stuff that give me a bigger number. Makes me think I'd be horrible at D&D. Was Pokemon always this complicated though?