Re: Arc 42: Not All Dogs
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:36 am
why can't Bino ever have nice things?
dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria
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Bino deserves a severe punishment because he was mean, ruthless and knew exactly what he was doing. He had always tormented King for no other reason than being mean. He wanted to smash the clock just to prove a moot point. He treated rudely his own brother Joey. nothing Bino did in his arc has an honorable justification. He was the villain, not simply the antagonist.IceKitsune wrote:I must disagree with you somewhat, he shouldn't be punished for trying to smash the watch (because as far as he and everyone else except a few people thought it was his watch, he found it he can do what he wants with it) However I think he should be punished for being unfairly mean and cruel to King there was no reason to do what he did to King and really if he was just going to smash it he should have just given it to King anyway.Alex wrote:Cuuuuuuuuute! And I'm glad it resolved like this. Friends will always help each other! I just wonder what King has to do with the watch now...
Also, I think it's unfair to punish Bino. He found the watch, he wanted to keep it, his girlfriend pretended to want to spend time with him in order to steal it, then his big brother makes him give it back. And all that pressure makes him do one stupid thing, since he failed at everything he wanted King to fail at getting the watch back. And now he gets punished! It's unfair....
What in the world are you talking about? It was a Good Old Dogs Club Meeting of course Fox would be there. I'm sorry there is nothing wrong with the ending to this part of the plot of this arc IMO.Shake wrote:I'm gonna put in another vote for the disappointing anti-climax side. It just came out of nowhere; we had no real indication that Fox was even THERE and it just doesn't quite seem/feel like it follows from what was going on in the previous few strips. Like, it could've been awesome with proper setup, but the lack of any such setup just sorta turns Fox's appearance into a deus ex machina.
Eh, maybe Friday's comic will wrap things up nicely, but for now, this just seems pretty weak. =/
...or, Fox was spending the time thinking over King's fixation over that watch. Let's remember that Fox was thraumatized by being kidnapped (a second time), as his reaction at hearing of the watch's owner showed.Shake wrote:I'm gonna put in another vote for the disappointing anti-climax side. It just came out of nowhere; we had no real indication that Fox was even THERE and it just doesn't quite seem/feel like it follows from what was going on in the previous few strips. Like, it could've been awesome with proper setup, but the lack of any such setup just sorta turns Fox's appearance into a deus ex machina.
Eh, maybe Friday's comic will wrap things up nicely, but for now, this just seems pretty weak. =/
I just read Valerio's comment and I can accept that Fox has been thinking about why King wanted that watch so badly. But now re-reading today's strip, there was something that bothered me. How did King managed to get rid of Boris (or was Yeltsin, I don't know...) grip? Did the dog just released him without any reason? After all Bino didn't sxay a thing about it. Did King become the Hulk for a few seconds and smashed him before going to the watch?IceKitsune wrote:What in the world are you talking about? It was a Good Old Dogs Club Meeting of course Fox would be there. I'm sorry there is nothing wrong with the ending to this part of the plot of this arc IMO.Shake wrote:I'm gonna put in another vote for the disappointing anti-climax side. It just came out of nowhere; we had no real indication that Fox was even THERE and it just doesn't quite seem/feel like it follows from what was going on in the previous few strips. Like, it could've been awesome with proper setup, but the lack of any such setup just sorta turns Fox's appearance into a deus ex machina.
Eh, maybe Friday's comic will wrap things up nicely, but for now, this just seems pretty weak. =/
No. I'd say that Boris and yeltsin let go of King after Fido intervened. In last comic, we could see Boris just leaning his paw on King's shoulder and Yeltsin was not there pinning him.angelusbr wrote:I just read Valerio's comment and I can accept that Fox has been thinking about why King wanted that watch so badly. But now re-reading today's strip, there was something that bothered me. How did King managed to get rid of Boris (or was Yeltsin, I don't know...) grip? Did the dog just released him without any reason? After all Bino didn't sxay a thing about it. Did King become the Hulk for a few seconds and smashed him before going to the watch?
And this arc NEEDS to have some significance in other characters other than King. What I mean is, most likely King will say, in the next strip, that he either refuses or accepts his dogness (I think he'll vote for remain as a dog, because if he chooses to be a human he loses Fox's friendship, which was something he didn't want to happen earlier in this arc.). what I mean is, this arc must have some significant influence in Sasha's, Fido, Fox and sabrina's caharcaters. If they all return to their status quo than I'm disappointed beyond repair.
I don't think that Rick needs to show everything that goes on. It's really not important how King escaped the two dogs. The important part is that King is dramatically chasing after his fate and we see that Fox catches it. Most likely the dogs holding him released him in surprise when Bino threw the watch.angelusbr wrote:I just read Valerio's comment and I can accept that Fox has been thinking about why King wanted that watch so badly. But now re-reading today's strip, there was something that bothered me. How did King managed to get rid of Boris (or was Yeltsin, I don't know...) grip? Did the dog just released him without any reason? After all Bino didn't sxay a thing about it. Did King become the Hulk for a few seconds and smashed him before going to the watch?IceKitsune wrote:What in the world are you talking about? It was a Good Old Dogs Club Meeting of course Fox would be there. I'm sorry there is nothing wrong with the ending to this part of the plot of this arc IMO.Shake wrote:I'm gonna put in another vote for the disappointing anti-climax side. It just came out of nowhere; we had no real indication that Fox was even THERE and it just doesn't quite seem/feel like it follows from what was going on in the previous few strips. Like, it could've been awesome with proper setup, but the lack of any such setup just sorta turns Fox's appearance into a deus ex machina.
Eh, maybe Friday's comic will wrap things up nicely, but for now, this just seems pretty weak. =/
And this arc NEEDS to have some significance in other characters other than King. What I mean is, most likely King will say, in the next strip, that he either refuses or accepts his dogness (I think he'll vote for remain as a dog, because if he chooses to be a human he loses Fox's friendship, which was something he didn't want to happen earlier in this arc.). what I mean is, this arc must have some significant influence in Sasha's, Fido, Fox and sabrina's caharcaters. If they all return to their status quo than I'm disappointed beyond repair.
It's okay. It's just my personal taste I talked here. I didn't like this weird (in my opinion, again) outcome, but many people did, and mroe importantly Ricky liked it (and in the end that's what really matter).sliceofdog wrote:It may be because Fox and King are my favourite characters, and that their interactions always make for good comics, but I really liked today's strip. I really don't see it as an anti-climax, any more than Wonderful Dog's Life was an anti-climax for ending with "By the way, vet follow-up is tomorrow" (Well, that wasn't the final ending, but it's the equivalent to this comic)
Also, I find it interesting (not complaining, mind, just pointing it out) that the few people like me who aren't fans of the whole cosmic yarn got blasted when they dared mention not liking it (the cosmic dragon reveal, the game etc) yet so many people are blatantly saying "Eh, it wasn't very good, but maybe if the next comic is AMAZING I won't complain", and hardly anyone is calling you up on it. Forgive me for being so blunt, but either no aspect of the storyline can be complained about, or any of it can. People who don't like the extremes have just as valid an opinion as those who don't like comics such as the one today (which I really enjoyed).
And I would imagine that Fox will not be in the next comic, because storyline wise he will be chasing down Bino. It will most likely be King and Sabrina/Tarot/Kitsune.
Fox values more his bond with King, not a stupid watch. It doesn't mean he could have a talk with king about the watch, but he'd rather not see his best friend hurt.Barkeron wrote:Nice save from Fox.
My own two cents:
Did noticed that Fox took a complete 180 turn. First he cared less about the watch because of Joel's name on it and now he saves the watch and gives it back to King. Pretty good I say. Judging by the expression in the 5 and 6 panels, I guessing that Fox thinks that King have some connection to the watch, but did doesn't mean he found out about King's serect just yet. That is, if he ever finds out.
Only now, Kitsune, I am reflecting on Fox's expression and words in panel 6. And you may be so right...IceKitsune wrote:What in the world are you talking about? It was a Good Old Dogs Club Meeting of course Fox would be there. I'm sorry there is nothing wrong with the ending to this part of the plot of this arc IMO.Shake wrote:I'm gonna put in another vote for the disappointing anti-climax side. It just came out of nowhere; we had no real indication that Fox was even THERE and it just doesn't quite seem/feel like it follows from what was going on in the previous few strips. Like, it could've been awesome with proper setup, but the lack of any such setup just sorta turns Fox's appearance into a deus ex machina.
Eh, maybe Friday's comic will wrap things up nicely, but for now, this just seems pretty weak. =/
Yeah that too. But still the expressions in panels 4, 5, and 6 says alot.valerio wrote: Fox values more his bond with King, not a stupid watch. It doesn't mean he could have a talk with king about the watch, but he'd rather not see his best friend hurt.
One explanation for Fox to allow Bino bully King was that he was too shocked to see the wtach again to move a muscle (I said I would shut up about complaining, btw).valerio wrote:Only now, Kitsune, I am reflecting on Fox's expression and words in panel 6. And you may be so right...IceKitsune wrote:What in the world are you talking about? It was a Good Old Dogs Club Meeting of course Fox would be there. I'm sorry there is nothing wrong with the ending to this part of the plot of this arc IMO.Shake wrote:I'm gonna put in another vote for the disappointing anti-climax side. It just came out of nowhere; we had no real indication that Fox was even THERE and it just doesn't quite seem/feel like it follows from what was going on in the previous few strips. Like, it could've been awesome with proper setup, but the lack of any such setup just sorta turns Fox's appearance into a deus ex machina.
Eh, maybe Friday's comic will wrap things up nicely, but for now, this just seems pretty weak. =/
I have a SO bad feeling about this, now. Even if Fox had a last moment-change of heart, he basically let Bino do his bullying, and only when Fido threw the watch away, did Fox intervene.
He would've let it smashed.
Oh, man oh man...
It's probably the same case as the Christmas 2009 arc, where Fox wonders why he's still friends with Bino.valerio wrote:Only now, Kitsune, I am reflecting on Fox's expression and words in panel 6. And you may be so right...
I have a SO bad feeling about this, now. Even if Fox had a last moment-change of heart, he basically let Bino do his bullying, and only when Bino threw the watch away, did Fox intervene.
He would've let it smashed.
Oh, man oh man...
if i got it right, next comes conclusion to this arc AND of this season...Esquire Fox wrote:I love the character building and conflicts in this arc.
That is to say, I don't think the arc is over just yet.
Though I won't guess what comes next; its Rick's story, not mine.
He was mean and ruthless, but he did not know exactly what he was doing. He thought he was destroying his own watch. Not a piece of King's soul. He also didn't torment King for no reason; he torments King because he feels his shaky position of social influence is threatened by him. Having an honorable justification is a requirement for being a hero, not for not being a villain.valerio wrote:Bino deserves a severe punishment because he was mean, ruthless and knew exactly what he was doing. He had always tormented King for no other reason than being mean. He wanted to smash the clock just to prove a moot point. He treated rudely his own brother Joey. nothing Bino did in his arc has an honorable justification. He was the villain, not simply the antagonist.
But Bino hates King solely because of his name...Sleet wrote:Fox is King's friend, and he saw how much King needed that watch. He wasn't going to question that and let it fall into the wrong paws. However, he has no idea why the heck King cares so much and is probably weirded out by the whole thing, so he'd rather not hear the explanation. Which is my guess for why he wanted to never speak of it again.He was mean and ruthless, but he did not know exactly what he was doing. He thought he was destroying his own watch. Not a piece of King's soul. He also didn't torment King for no reason; he torments King because he feels his shaky position of social influence is threatened by him. Having an honorable justification is a requirement for being a hero, not for not being a villain.valerio wrote:Bino deserves a severe punishment because he was mean, ruthless and knew exactly what he was doing. He had always tormented King for no other reason than being mean. He wanted to smash the clock just to prove a moot point. He treated rudely his own brother Joey. nothing Bino did in his arc has an honorable justification. He was the villain, not simply the antagonist.
Sleet, please! Bino felt threatened by King's NAME, for pete's sake! if that's a rightful basis for feeling uindermined in his rank, it more than ever underlines that Bino is a crazy sociopath, not just 'insecure'.Sleet wrote:Fox is King's friend, and he saw how much King needed that watch. He wasn't going to question that and let it fall into the wrong paws. However, he has no idea why the heck King cares so much and is probably weirded out by the whole thing, so he'd rather not hear the explanation. Which is my guess for why he wanted to never speak of it again.He was mean and ruthless, but he did not know exactly what he was doing. He thought he was destroying his own watch. Not a piece of King's soul. He also didn't torment King for no reason; he torments King because he feels his shaky position of social influence is threatened by him. Having an honorable justification is a requirement for being a hero, not for not being a villain.valerio wrote:Bino deserves a severe punishment because he was mean, ruthless and knew exactly what he was doing. He had always tormented King for no other reason than being mean. He wanted to smash the clock just to prove a moot point. He treated rudely his own brother Joey. nothing Bino did in his arc has an honorable justification. He was the villain, not simply the antagonist.
Bino never considered 'his' the watch, he only wanted to make sure King didn't get it back.Stop Playing munchkin and hold this dweeb down while I smash his stuff!
But why is it that Bino doesn't like King's name, hmm?angelusbr wrote:But Bino hates King solely because of his name...Sleet wrote:Fox is King's friend, and he saw how much King needed that watch. He wasn't going to question that and let it fall into the wrong paws. However, he has no idea why the heck King cares so much and is probably weirded out by the whole thing, so he'd rather not hear the explanation. Which is my guess for why he wanted to never speak of it again.He was mean and ruthless, but he did not know exactly what he was doing. He thought he was destroying his own watch. Not a piece of King's soul. He also didn't torment King for no reason; he torments King because he feels his shaky position of social influence is threatened by him. Having an honorable justification is a requirement for being a hero, not for not being a villain.valerio wrote:Bino deserves a severe punishment because he was mean, ruthless and knew exactly what he was doing. He had always tormented King for no other reason than being mean. He wanted to smash the clock just to prove a moot point. He treated rudely his own brother Joey. nothing Bino did in his arc has an honorable justification. He was the villain, not simply the antagonist.
But why is it that Bino doesn't like King's name, hmm?[/quote]Sleet wrote:But Bino hates King solely because of his name...
In Italy we say, when one want to involve the authority in an improper manner, 'Tirare per la giacchetta' (pull someone by hisjer jacket, literally).Sleet wrote:It's not really complimentary of someone's writing skills to call their unkind characters one-dimensionally evil rather than having a justification, albeit a twisted one, for their actions.
If he's nto that he's insane to say the leastSleet wrote:I have never once denied that Bino was a jerk. But his actions follow a pattern more complicated than "he's a sociopath."
That would be...amazingly amusing.angelusbr wrote:I'll love see the strip where Bino discovers that Rex is the Latin word for KING.
...angelusbr wrote:If he's nto that he's insane to say the leastSleet wrote:I have never once denied that Bino was a jerk. But his actions follow a pattern more complicated than "he's a sociopath."