It seems rather unlikely that those are the same coyotes, though, given the geographical separation. Even if they ended up near Babylon Gardens, the timeline is all wrong. Unless of course Keene happened to be taking a vacation in Vegas when he discovered Miles… (though the wolves mentioned that they were from the woods over the ridge, so… Darn. I liked the idea of Keene importing the wolves.)
I’m still holding out for Res to suddenly, by unexplained means, appear in Babylon Gardens and get recruited. He’d be a great Bard and probably wouldn’t complain about not getting to do any hero stuff.
It turns out that *any* trip along any straight line (chord) through the earth under gravity, and ignoring friction, would take 42 minutes. That’s also the orbital period for a sea-level satellite (though it would have to be a black hole or something to avoid being slowed down by air resistance.
So if you had an evacuated maglev line from San Francisco to New York, it would take 42 minutes. San Francisco to Bombay? 42 minutes. San Francisco to Los Angeles? 42 minutes. The science is easy. Engineering it, now that’s a charming young woman.
Of course, once you add just a tiny bit of friction, you’d fall until you stopped just short of the other side, at which point you’d fall back the other way, stopping just short of where you started. You’d continue falling back and forth for quite some time before eventually settling in the center of the earth, at which point you’d face a climb of nearly 4000 miles to return to the surface…
Let’s see, in a vacuum the maximum velocity would be almost 8 kilometers per second. Terminal velocity for a human at 1 atmosphere is more like 50 meters per second. So under ideal conditions you’d have less than 1% of the speed to get back to the surface on the first pass. Air pressure would get higher as you dropped, and acceleration due to gravity would be reduced, so your actual velocity as you passed through the center would be much less than 50 meters per second.
Also, the walls of the tunnel at that depth would be several thousand degrees, so the terminal velocity of the charred remnants of your body would be even lower.
Well, to be fair, at some point the air would be under enough pressure to turn to liquid and later solid, so you wouldn’t even make it to the center. Engineering-wise, given the rediculous amount of pressure around the earth’s core, climate control (including maintaining a proper vacumn for you to fall through in your spacesuit) would be the least of your problems, given that even the strongest materials known to man would fold like a sponge in an 18-ton press.
To be fair, if you just let air fill the shaft, the pressure would be such that somewhere around 1/3rd (napkin calculations FTW!) of the way down, the pressure would be such that air would become a solid, so you wouldn’t even make it to the core. Engineering-wise, proper climate control (including a vacuum for you to fall through in your spacesuit) would be the least of your concerns, given that the strongest materials known to science would collapse like a wet sponge under an 18-ton hydraulic press. 50 million PSI is a *lot*.
Come to think of it, air would be solid well before that. I was basing my calculations on the theoretical depth in Jupiter where hydrogen becomes solid, and multiplying my 10 to account for the different gravity, but hydrogen is much lighter than air, about 15-fold, so, assuming a similar amount of pressure turns mostly nitrogen into a solid (ideal gas laws state that the number of particles determine the pressure/volume, so the relative density of the gasses is completely determined by their relative atomic weights (and temperature, but we’re assuming that’s the same)), the depth for solid air would only be around perhaps 75 miles, which is well away from the center.
The partial pressure of oxygen would be toxic only 6 km down. I don’t think you can extrapolate so linearly from Jupiter, though, not just because Earth’s gravity is less but also because it falls off much faster with depth.
The walls of the tube would be under significantly higher pressure than that from the molten rock (average density 5 grams/cc, versus 0.0012 g/cc for air). Like I said, the engineering challenges are a real charming young woman.
Now, just for reference, if we assume the hole is 3 feet wide, then every inch wide cross section will have a total of 65 million *tons* of pressure on it. That’s the weight of 650 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers,or 200 Empire State Buildings, or 10 of the pyramid at Gaza. For every *inch* along the tunnel. Major crushing force.
I corrected for Jupiter`s higher gravity… incorrectly. It’s actually only about 2.5x that of earth, not 10x like I thought. That puts the solid air mark at merely 10 miles from the surface, which is only 0.25% of the way to the Earth’s center, so falloff is quite negligible. Even if my figures are way off, it seems clear that air would be compressed into a solid well before the center of the Earth.
I can’t look up the references from here because I’m at work, but I think you’re wrong about the solid air. I suspect you’re assuming a linear function rather than a power function somewhere. 6 km down, the air pressure would only be around 2 atmospheres, 30 km down it would be 30 atmospheres. That’s only the equivalent of 300 meters down in the ocean (1 ATM ≅ 10m H20), which is about the limit for human diving.
Argent Stonecutter, your science is now the “About Me” info on my skype. and i’m putting it on facebook, if it’s not a problem…just to increase general knowledge. you is smart!
“Bards begin play as fighters, and they must remain exclusively fighters until they have achieved at least the 5′th level of experience. Anytime thereafter, and in any even prior to attaining hte 8′th level, they must change their class to that of thieves. Again, sometime between 5′th and 9′th level of ability, bards must leave off thieving and begin clerical studies as druids; but at this time they are actually bards and under druidical tutelage…”
So speaks Gary Gygax in Appendix II: Bards.
And thus concludes today’s reading from the (player’s hand-)book. All must obey!
does anyone wonder if at the the end of this adventure Joey”s D&D group could be enlarged by i don’t know an awesomely crazy fox, a cowardly wolf, a VERY nervous rabbit, and a super rich ferret?
well i think this group is purposely made of not dogs/cats so that Pete can’t take them over as his avatar except Sabrina, but she is apart of team Dragon.
So unless there was a completely unrelated adventure not to do with the temples they could join.
In the ones I’ve played, the healer just ran out and fought alongside everyone else. Ah, the joys of having healers with weapon proficiency with good weapons.
It’s true, Zach. Just like Dende says in DBZ Abridged (to paraphrase): “You touch me…and you’re not getting back up again. That’s right, I’m your White Mage. And NOBODY. SCREWS. With the White Mage”
He said at least a thief is a respectable career, but when you think of a thief you think of a trickster, an evil genius, and a person everyone, except for fellow thieves, hates rolled into a person.
There could be some kind of ancient but still functional Scrying surveillance systems in the temple!
I’m curious what part of the current comic inspired this idea.
The need for a healer in an empty temple?
Empty? Who said anything about empty?
the last person who came out alive… oh wait
rallyjr made me laugh. XD
I would totally be Zach in that situation. Give me that impenetrable wall of bodies! I want escape possibilities! XD
Alt text: “A fox with horns, how fitting”
Karishad is now The Opener Of Wounds
wouldn’t that be the Closer of Wounds?
That would be Zach.
Derp, I thought you said Zach at first
RPG are fun!
Karishad has made his parents proud.
Might make them re-think about the “disowned” thing.
Zach’s no dummy
i’ll take protection over a respectable career any day.
Zach became vary interestid in being healer prity quick didn’t he !!?
Remember fokes better be safe then stooped!! XD
since they have a healer does that mean that somebody’s going to get hurt???
They’re going in through the “Adventure” doorway, there’s gonna be traps!
I see Karishad is ready to go off viking.
Alt Text: A fox with horns, how fitting.
Nope, sleeping on it didn’t help, I don’t get it. Is this a foxhunting reference?
Horns = devil…devil = evil or impish… evil or impish = Karishad
He’s all haggard and horrible.
Alt Text: a fox with horns, how fitting
Thanks!
Viking Fox Supperiority!
Hagar the Horrible??
http://www.arcamax.com/thefunnies/hagarthehorrible/
You saw what I did!
I can tell Karishad is going to enjoy himself very much on this one
Now everyone has a class that everyone is happy with. YAY!
……for now
Now lets see what happens next! :3
buff archer lol
Haha, silly hat.
Karishad´s smile in panel 1 = P.R.I.C.E.L.E.S.S
Its….heartwarming…0.0
I still don’t get something. Why do they need to dress up?
Sabrina said they needed hats so they could channel their energy to enter the temple or they’d end up in a trap….or something
The hats give them their classes powers.
A fox with horns, How fitting. <– Alt text
So I'm assuming this is going to turn into an RPG style arc…obiously….
Karishad is looking buff. Moreso than usual.
Would you like the brick or the frozen can of orange soda today, sir?
hmmm…… though choice…..
never had a frozen can of orange soda =3
trust me its amazing…… once you get it out of the can.
Learned to use a bow and arrow from his cousin. Everyone stand well back! He has a bow and doesn’t really know how to use it!
On the other hand, he has the rest of “ranger” pretty well covered. He just needs an animal companion… Where’s King?? XD
Is the coyote a reference to another character?
http://www.housepetscomic.com/2010/11/13/housepets-remnants-of-the-american-nomad/
Thanks for the heads up, I’d forgotten about that.
I was thinking more of Wile E.
I was too, initially.
It seems rather unlikely that those are the same coyotes, though, given the geographical separation. Even if they ended up near Babylon Gardens, the timeline is all wrong. Unless of course Keene happened to be taking a vacation in Vegas when he discovered Miles… (though the wolves mentioned that they were from the woods over the ridge, so… Darn. I liked the idea of Keene importing the wolves.)
“There is now a gazebo with an arrow sticking out of it.”
For some reason I’m thinking of “Ol’ Betsy” from Disney’s animated Robin Hood…
No bard? This will not end well. . .
♫ Run, run, run away from Pete’s minions ♪
Lol that doesn’t count, less it gives a buff
maybe the bard will be King…
everyone wants him to make an appearance and theres an open spot!
Not “everyone” wants King to make an appearance in this arc. I, for one, would prefer he not be involved. : )
I’m still holding out for Res to suddenly, by unexplained means, appear in Babylon Gardens and get recruited. He’d be a great Bard and probably wouldn’t complain about not getting to do any hero stuff.
I can go either way as far as king or Res,
Pete can’t manifest until he gets an avatar. Maybe we’ll see who Pete’s next avatar is?
Treat as Expeditious Retreat minus 1 minute duration per party member over 5.
Or the one big fox dudes avatar
Hope they don’t fall into one of those bottomless pit traps!
those make no sense its pretty much impossible to make
a “bottomless pit” there has to be an end sometime!!
If your pit’s deep enough there’s no bottom, just another top!
that would get /weird/. You fall and fall and fall and then are spit out at the edge of the pit. *shudders* portal physics are mindbending
Well, actually, you’d get cooked by the heat of the molten core of the earth long before you get anywhere near the opposite top.
Ignoring thermal effects and air resistance, it would take 42 minutes.
http://www.physicscentral.com/explore/poster-earth.cfm
It turns out that *any* trip along any straight line (chord) through the earth under gravity, and ignoring friction, would take 42 minutes. That’s also the orbital period for a sea-level satellite (though it would have to be a black hole or something to avoid being slowed down by air resistance.
So if you had an evacuated maglev line from San Francisco to New York, it would take 42 minutes. San Francisco to Bombay? 42 minutes. San Francisco to Los Angeles? 42 minutes. The science is easy. Engineering it, now that’s a charming young woman.
Of course, once you add just a tiny bit of friction, you’d fall until you stopped just short of the other side, at which point you’d fall back the other way, stopping just short of where you started. You’d continue falling back and forth for quite some time before eventually settling in the center of the earth, at which point you’d face a climb of nearly 4000 miles to return to the surface…
Oh, you want *realistic* calculations?
Let’s see, in a vacuum the maximum velocity would be almost 8 kilometers per second. Terminal velocity for a human at 1 atmosphere is more like 50 meters per second. So under ideal conditions you’d have less than 1% of the speed to get back to the surface on the first pass. Air pressure would get higher as you dropped, and acceleration due to gravity would be reduced, so your actual velocity as you passed through the center would be much less than 50 meters per second.
Also, the walls of the tunnel at that depth would be several thousand degrees, so the terminal velocity of the charred remnants of your body would be even lower.
Well, to be fair, at some point the air would be under enough pressure to turn to liquid and later solid, so you wouldn’t even make it to the center. Engineering-wise, given the rediculous amount of pressure around the earth’s core, climate control (including maintaining a proper vacumn for you to fall through in your spacesuit) would be the least of your problems, given that even the strongest materials known to man would fold like a sponge in an 18-ton press.
To be fair, if you just let air fill the shaft, the pressure would be such that somewhere around 1/3rd (napkin calculations FTW!) of the way down, the pressure would be such that air would become a solid, so you wouldn’t even make it to the core. Engineering-wise, proper climate control (including a vacuum for you to fall through in your spacesuit) would be the least of your concerns, given that the strongest materials known to science would collapse like a wet sponge under an 18-ton hydraulic press. 50 million PSI is a *lot*.
Come to think of it, air would be solid well before that. I was basing my calculations on the theoretical depth in Jupiter where hydrogen becomes solid, and multiplying my 10 to account for the different gravity, but hydrogen is much lighter than air, about 15-fold, so, assuming a similar amount of pressure turns mostly nitrogen into a solid (ideal gas laws state that the number of particles determine the pressure/volume, so the relative density of the gasses is completely determined by their relative atomic weights (and temperature, but we’re assuming that’s the same)), the depth for solid air would only be around perhaps 75 miles, which is well away from the center.
Actually, 40 miles.
Oh I love how you guys incorporate real science within the fantasy realm! I think Tarot would approve greatly if she was there!
The partial pressure of oxygen would be toxic only 6 km down. I don’t think you can extrapolate so linearly from Jupiter, though, not just because Earth’s gravity is less but also because it falls off much faster with depth.
The walls of the tube would be under significantly higher pressure than that from the molten rock (average density 5 grams/cc, versus 0.0012 g/cc for air). Like I said, the engineering challenges are a real charming young woman.
:O…
50 million PSI is correct. I looked it up
Now, just for reference, if we assume the hole is 3 feet wide, then every inch wide cross section will have a total of 65 million *tons* of pressure on it. That’s the weight of 650 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers,or 200 Empire State Buildings, or 10 of the pyramid at Gaza. For every *inch* along the tunnel. Major crushing force.
I corrected for Jupiter`s higher gravity… incorrectly. It’s actually only about 2.5x that of earth, not 10x like I thought. That puts the solid air mark at merely 10 miles from the surface, which is only 0.25% of the way to the Earth’s center, so falloff is quite negligible. Even if my figures are way off, it seems clear that air would be compressed into a solid well before the center of the Earth.
Hmm. It should be around 3 million tons. I don’t know how I got 65 million O.o.
I can’t look up the references from here because I’m at work, but I think you’re wrong about the solid air. I suspect you’re assuming a linear function rather than a power function somewhere. 6 km down, the air pressure would only be around 2 atmospheres, 30 km down it would be 30 atmospheres. That’s only the equivalent of 300 meters down in the ocean (1 ATM ≅ 10m H20), which is about the limit for human diving.
Argent Stonecutter, your science is now the “About Me” info on my skype. and i’m putting it on facebook, if it’s not a problem…just to increase general knowledge. you is smart!
Heh, maybe I should preserve this thread in my blog.
You wouldn’t hit a thief with sunglasses would you?
well they do look pretty good on you so….. no
Also the first person all of your foes will try to aim for.
That cat sure knows her rabbits!
Karishad’s girly “eee” is hilarious!
He makes things exciting when he’s around!
It’s not girly, it’s quite masculine!
Karishad is like the Latin word “Vir”
It means man, yet the gender of it is Feminine!
truer words have never been spoken.
thank you Rj!!
You’re welcome, Soul
Karishad the barbarian. This can not end well.
Awesome
Karishad and the Sable Mouser.
Warrior needs food ….badly
funny that one of the reasons i like almost always being a healer
(online games)
But, but, the party is still short a bard! Every adventuring troupe needs a utility class.
If they’re playing an early enough edition, thief and bard are both subclasses of rogue.
No, no… It must be even earlier!
“Bards begin play as fighters, and they must remain exclusively fighters until they have achieved at least the 5′th level of experience. Anytime thereafter, and in any even prior to attaining hte 8′th level, they must change their class to that of thieves. Again, sometime between 5′th and 9′th level of ability, bards must leave off thieving and begin clerical studies as druids; but at this time they are actually bards and under druidical tutelage…”
So speaks Gary Gygax in Appendix II: Bards.
And thus concludes today’s reading from the (player’s hand-)book. All must obey!
Protect the Medic!
does anyone wonder if at the the end of this adventure Joey”s D&D group could be enlarged by i don’t know an awesomely crazy fox, a cowardly wolf, a VERY nervous rabbit, and a super rich ferret?
2 things I never thought of that and that would be AUSOME!!
Au. The chemical symbol for gold.
So does this mean that when you say “ausome”, you mean something with a golden touch, like King Midas? An ausome touch?
…And then when they encounter a rule that he doesn’t like, Keene goes and buys out Wizards of the Coast and has them release a new edition.
I think Joey and his creepy friend(s) would more likely say “What?!? There was a real life D&D type game and no one invited us?!?”
well i think this group is purposely made of not dogs/cats so that Pete can’t take them over as his avatar except Sabrina, but she is apart of team Dragon.
So unless there was a completely unrelated adventure not to do with the temples they could join.
Good point, I didn’t even realize that she was picking non dogs and cats exclusivly.
well to quote Bill Nye “NO YOU KNOW!!!!!”
And knowings half the battle.
G I JOE!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol. I’ll be the bard.
“bravely bold sir karishad, road forth from … The zoo?”
A healer being closely protected by everyone. Based off of games I have played, that’s a total lie.
In the ones I’ve played, the healer just ran out and fought alongside everyone else. Ah, the joys of having healers with weapon proficiency with good weapons.
it might have been a ploy to get Zach to come along.
Foxy horns anyone? *chuckles* Good to see Zack is going to be safe … for now. *evil laugh*
W00t! more Karishad!
Heck yes
It’s true, Zach. Just like Dende says in DBZ Abridged (to paraphrase): “You touch me…and you’re not getting back up again. That’s right, I’m your White Mage. And NOBODY. SCREWS. With the White Mage”
Karishad is just one rocket launcher short of being ready to play Team Fortress 2. Actually, that might make this adventure go faster.
One of the top rules in RPGs: KILL/PROTECT THE WHITE MAGE.
What about doing both? >:D
I haven’t played too many RPG’s, but don’t healers typically have bad defenses? Oh, wait, that’s why he’ll be protected.
The biretta is worthy trade-off for having to be the healer.
Just don’t mix it up with a Beretta.
Or a Baretta. He wouldn’t look good with a cockatoo named Fred.
Or 1970’s crimefighter Baretta.
i think Keene should rethink his sentence.
He said at least a thief is a respectable career, but when you think of a thief you think of a trickster, an evil genius, and a person everyone, except for fellow thieves, hates rolled into a person.
I think that was the joke
and this explains it to those people who didn’t know at first!…..
like me.
He’s a ferret. The word means “little thief”.
Plus, compared to a bard?
MORE LEARNING YAY!!!!!!!!
Looking at Karishad in the first panel will give you diabetes… and then cure it instantly.
I’d be protected? I’ll do it!
INSULT TO ARCHERS!!!!!
Lol. Silly healer. And yeah, theft can be respectable, depending on how it’s done.
You are James Bolivar di Griz and I claim my steam-powered robot.
Joey’s roleplay senses are tingling…….
But isn’t that how all adventurer parties form? Granted, the scene is usually in a seedy tavern.
I wonder how his ears fit into that helmet. It can’t be very comfortable.
Good point….Maybe the horns are hollow and they squeeze inside.
Or the magic of the hat makes his ears go in another dimension ala “Lidsville”.
that’s a little odd but awesome at the same time
Ah, question solved in the next strip…his ears are there, they’re just blocked by his hands. Funny none of us thought of that.
it just proves that we don’t take notice to those very little details!
for a few seconds, I thought he meant the pistol.
Predictable, but I’m enjoying it oh so much
Is it just me… or was that a Wile E. Coyote reference?
Argent and I thought the same thing.