Ibid. (Latin, short for ibidem, meaning the same place) is the term used to provide an endnote or footnote citation or reference for a source that was cited in the preceding endnote or footnote. — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibid.
*opens a can of laughter*
HaHAhAHa-haHahahahaHaHHaaahhahhaahahhahaha
(Not easy trying to make a text sound effect that sounds like multiple styles of laughing)
The fifth wall is the wall between audience members, as they don’t interaction or acknowledge each other while watching a play together so… I don’t think so? I actually don’t know.
the fifth wall can be any where. but I was confused when I first made this comment. Elwood’s comment below about unbreaking the fourth wall does make more sense.
I love how there’s always so many interesting conversations here, take now for an example, you’re discussing how many walls that got broken (whatever that means) in this strip, but what does that have to do with anything, right?
the fifth wall is not a wall persay but a principle
“I got to thinking about the 4th Wall a while back, and I realized that if a character breaks the fourth wall and there is an imaginary audiance reading the story, then the imaginary audiance must be contained by another wall. The 5th Wall.
If the imaginary audiance breaks the 5th wall, and if there is another imaginary audiance, then the 6th Wall comes up. And so on. I call it the 5th Wall Principle.
A good example is the Tv Tropes the Tv show story. The imaginary audiance is interacting with characters who broke the fourth wall, but that audiance isn’t aware that they are a part of the story, so they have to be contained by another wall.
An alternative view is that the characters never broke the 4th Wall and it just expanded to contain the imaginary audiance. But then you have to ask what was containing the audiance before the characters broke the 4th wall.
Whenever there is another layer beyond the story where the 4th Wall is broken, and those characters are unaware they are part of a story, there is another wall.
I don’t think that “5th wall” is created until the imaginary audience is explicitly depicted, as for example in the finale to Mel Brooks’ “Blazing Saddles”. I don’t recall if that movie breaks the 5th wall.
But if the audience turns out to be real, and the existence of the actors is part of the storyline (I’ve seen examples of this where a movie starts on set but you don’t see that it’s a set until after the titles) then the 4th wall isn’t broken.
So if lets say i am reading this comic and all of a sudden peanut starts talking to ME and me directly (the audience) then he has broken the fourth wall, but at the same time me interacting with him is part of the comic but i don’t realize it is then i am contained by the 5th wall, if i am aware that i am part of the comic by interacting with peanut who has broken the fourth wall then i have in turn broken the 5th wall.
that’s my understanding of the 5th wall.
Right, but the television audience isn’t part of the show, there’s no 5th wall between them and you, like there’s no 4th wall between you and a weatherman or guests on a talk show.
So I guess the 5th wall doesn’t get created when you see the audience. It gets created when you see that the audience is part of a fictional narrative as well.
wait, is dog #1 the one in the unfocused background or is it dog#2? I’m not good with names, but he’ll be forever the guy I’ll look up to when thinking of acting pets.
I would say that was well played, except I have no idea what the play was. So, like, was this whole thing a reenactment of a reenactment of Bino losing his collar?
Okay, Frank (not the mouse guy) probably means Rick’s coputer problems and Bino had his *ahem* incedent made into a movie by Rock, but the “Frank”(computer problem) messed up the original copy of the “movie” so the past few strips was an re-enactment of the movie…
haha a re-enactment of a re-enactment
They just built their own fourth wall between themselves and the *original* fourth wall, and then broke said new one.
I can’t tell if I’m agreeing with your post or not.
I would very much like to see an animated series of this comic, mainly to see if my interpretations of what they all sound like is what they actually would be.
Well i have to hand it to you rick, i did NOT like where this was going back after you got your computer fixed but this comic, THIS comic, made it all better.
i really like this a lot as not only does it negate any 4th wall-smashery but it adds a funny, unexpected, and original twist to the arc.
I want to see who Saucy Fox is, unless Saucy Fox is… Fox?!? *insert the stabby music from Psyco* …anyway, I liked this one, I have to admit I’m a bit confused, but that seems to be consensus with this Arc.
Is this something about Inception? I haven’t seen that movie but I heard it’s confusing and that seemed like what it might be about.
Or maybe it’s because the ferrets are monkeying about with reality again. Knowing them, they just hid all the 8th dimensional dice behind the couch again.
Let’s if I got this right. Bino lost his collar. Stuff happened, he wanted to tell the story of what happened, the 4th wall is broken, Rock decides to produce Bino’s tale, they go the path of tropic thunder and decide to film a renactment of a fictional event, the only copy is deleted, they film the non-ficional reanactment of the reanactment of a fictional event, the 4th wall is unbroken, something about Robert Downey Jr… Inception… computer problems… pancakes…
ERROR
ERROR
011100110111100101110011011101000110010101101101001000000111001101101000011101010111010001100100011011110111011101101110
Also i’m surprised that Rick is actually doing the comic over spring break. But i’m happy that this will mean more of it and no angry or anticipating fans that just can’t wait for the comic to return after break of which I would probably and most likely part of…
YAY!
if his 2009 talkshoe interview is anything to go by then he’s probably out of school and looking for work or decided to milk his parents and do what his mom wanted and stufy to become a doctor
This tangled weave of meta layered upon meta with no definitive start or end. Beautifully done, sir. I am truly amazed. That said, this comic could use more Saucy Fox and Robert Downey Jr.
Awesome laugh there Bino! ^^
Alt:No,I won’t explain it,because that why it’s funnier to me
…I don’t get it?
Classy act, that Bino…
He’s soaking up the love
Because, you know, there is just such an abundance of that, especially in dealing with Bino.
I know I love him.
I’m pretty sure we all saw this coming. *giggles*
Or not, maybe.
lol what the heck just happened?
everything I think it was planned but I don’t know maybe Bino is a mastermind?
I think the ferret (Rock?) was filming a reenactment of Bino’s reenactment of the day he lost his collar.
It seems that Bino finally got what he wanted
We’ll see what the critics have to say…
O.M.G.,i really didn’t see that coming,nice.
Me either, but we all knew that the ferrets were coming in this arc. xD
You know what *I* didn’t see coming? Robert Downy Jr. (Look at the cast)
And the award goes to…
Robert Downey Jr!
Yes, that was really funny.
And the award for best actor goes to… (drumroll)
Himself! (applause) Come on down and get your award!
:}Insert moody speech here{:
Himself is an awesome actor, with huge range, but he’s like that scoundrel Ibid, thinks he’s an expert on everything.
please explain, who is Ibid?
Ibid. (Latin, short for ibidem, meaning the same place) is the term used to provide an endnote or footnote citation or reference for a source that was cited in the preceding endnote or footnote. — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibid.
See also op. cit., loc. cit., etc., etc… — Ibid.
Thank you very much
reminds me of age of empires 2 when a certain unit (cant remember which) says ibid when issued a walk command.
Himself is not an actor, but a character played by multiple actors.
Hence the joke… (T_T)
Like your name… (-_-)
And your haaat… (#_#)
and Your teeth…(@_@)
You’re… ~differ~rent~…
Drink you milk Brent. Don’t be different. Drink your Milk…
I’ll have you know I have a cup of chocolate milk everyday with breakfast. and I have no hat.
and I was just pointing out that the credits don’t say “Himself as…” it says “… as Himself”
…and the award for best actress goes to… Herself!
kinda reminds me of some people who joked by calling themselves as the chars of left4dead
it ends something like “Francis as Francis as Francis”
Sorry, bro, but Robert Downey Jr. did a FANTASTIC job as “Guy in Background”
Is it scary that I hear a laugh track at the end of this comic?
My brain hurts…
mwuhahahahahahahahahaha!
No more like a sitcom, less like a maniac.
*opens a can of laughter*
HaHAhAHa-haHahahahaHaHHaaahhahhaahahhahaha
(Not easy trying to make a text sound effect that sounds like multiple styles of laughing)
Frank?
some human crew member
Some crew member, maybe human.
a lampshade to ricks computer problems
Aha!
Probably…
Good point!
I’m innocent! I swear!
Haha! i didn’t realize until now that frank is also frank (you know what i mean)
maybe a shout-out or just coincidence?
why not both?
because one implies intention to make the association and the other is accidental association
I’m a little confused. did they just break a fifth wall?
The fifth wall is the wall between audience members, as they don’t interaction or acknowledge each other while watching a play together so… I don’t think so? I actually don’t know.
that’s the fourth wall. they seemed to build up a fifth one inside of it and break it.
fourth wall- between audience and actors
fifth wall- between each individual audience member.
the fifth wall can be any where. but I was confused when I first made this comment. Elwood’s comment below about unbreaking the fourth wall does make more sense.
The fifth wall is the ceiling. The sixth wall is the floor. If you break the sixth wall you better be good at plummeting.
I love how there’s always so many interesting conversations here, take now for an example, you’re discussing how many walls that got broken (whatever that means) in this strip, but what does that have to do with anything, right?
There was no fourth wall. just like there was no spoon.
nay, they repaired the 4th wall
the fifth wall is not a wall persay but a principle
“I got to thinking about the 4th Wall a while back, and I realized that if a character breaks the fourth wall and there is an imaginary audiance reading the story, then the imaginary audiance must be contained by another wall. The 5th Wall.
If the imaginary audiance breaks the 5th wall, and if there is another imaginary audiance, then the 6th Wall comes up. And so on. I call it the 5th Wall Principle.
A good example is the Tv Tropes the Tv show story. The imaginary audiance is interacting with characters who broke the fourth wall, but that audiance isn’t aware that they are a part of the story, so they have to be contained by another wall.
An alternative view is that the characters never broke the 4th Wall and it just expanded to contain the imaginary audiance. But then you have to ask what was containing the audiance before the characters broke the 4th wall.
Whenever there is another layer beyond the story where the 4th Wall is broken, and those characters are unaware they are part of a story, there is another wall.
This is the 5th Wall principle. ” stolen directly from http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12982154780A08060100&page=0
I don’t think that “5th wall” is created until the imaginary audience is explicitly depicted, as for example in the finale to Mel Brooks’ “Blazing Saddles”. I don’t recall if that movie breaks the 5th wall.
But if the audience turns out to be real, and the existence of the actors is part of the storyline (I’ve seen examples of this where a movie starts on set but you don’t see that it’s a set until after the titles) then the 4th wall isn’t broken.
imagine a 5th wall breaking as watching an episode of sienfield and then they turn the camera on the live audience
That’s when the 5th wall gets created.
only if they arent aware that the camera is turned on them..if they see it and realise it then it’s broken
Only if they’re actors pretending to be an audience.
So if lets say i am reading this comic and all of a sudden peanut starts talking to ME and me directly (the audience) then he has broken the fourth wall, but at the same time me interacting with him is part of the comic but i don’t realize it is then i am contained by the 5th wall, if i am aware that i am part of the comic by interacting with peanut who has broken the fourth wall then i have in turn broken the 5th wall.
that’s my understanding of the 5th wall.
Right, but the television audience isn’t part of the show, there’s no 5th wall between them and you, like there’s no 4th wall between you and a weatherman or guests on a talk show.
So I guess the 5th wall doesn’t get created when you see the audience. It gets created when you see that the audience is part of a fictional narrative as well.
I’m so confused.
And I don’t even care cause it’s funny.
ajeje and the OSCAR goes to…
Peanut! x3
He should just win every award
FOR WHAT? a last panel one line participation?….. True.
That’s enough xD He is the cuttest actor of this film!
Critic 1: Vote for FOX; his expression is so WIN.
The Oscar goes to Oscar!
Also, that I WIN face is totally epic.
Robert Downy, Jr.? No relations to the actual actor, I suppose? ^^
Absolutely the actual actor.
In his best paid cameo ever!
Epic win!
Bino finally did it? =o
I don’t think I’ve ever seen the fourth wall unbreak before. What a twist.
Well, now I know who’s been directing a lot of current films. I think I recognize the style.
I knew it!
… until i saw a ferret. @_@
Funny it IS Rick don’ worry. XD BTW what could’ve the racoon and the fox been doing in this production I wonder…
Rabid Raccoon?
Saucy Fox?
Methinks we missed most of the action.
Those darned commercial breaks!
I really enjoyed the performance of Dog #1. Simply inspiring his work.
His owner wasn’t very creative with names, apparently.
I for one was awestruck by Guy in Background. Robert Downey Jr. gave the character justice.
I’d ask how they got the budget for Kirk Lazarus’ cameo but the ferrets aren’t know for being good with money.
I think Saucy Fox is an awesome name for a fox, very creative.
I don’t know…..dog #2 had such amazing emotion!
and character
wait, is dog #1 the one in the unfocused background or is it dog#2? I’m not good with names, but he’ll be forever the guy I’ll look up to when thinking of acting pets.
Sorry Bino, that spot’s been already taken :3
I think dog number 1 was the black dog who was with Fox
I would say that was well played, except I have no idea what the play was. So, like, was this whole thing a reenactment of a reenactment of Bino losing his collar?
Except for the watermelon. They never do explain the watermelon.
the tantalizing watermelon…..
……………………….. I don’t get it.
he wont explain it x( haha
houspets! was filmed before a live studio audience.
Rabid Raccoon? Dog 1? Dog 2? Guy in Background? A SAUCY FOX!? What the heck could we have possibly missed?!
I don’t know, but Wednesday we’re going to have a one-off.
we shall see what the next arc brings, hopefully kerishad or pete
More King!
Indeed, i would very much like to see more king
Or a stinger gag!
Right right, you always need to wait for the end of the credits.
You guys don’t know how confused I am.
Okay, Frank (not the mouse guy) probably means Rick’s coputer problems and Bino had his *ahem* incedent made into a movie by Rock, but the “Frank”(computer problem) messed up the original copy of the “movie” so the past few strips was an re-enactment of the movie…
haha a re-enactment of a re-enactment
I think I know what you mean, but I am still a little bit confused. Why? I have no idea.
Join the club, we have jackets. :3
My mine is full of confused.
Then Rick’s mission is complete ;3
his mission has been completed from the start
oscar goes to rock. SO MUCH EMOTIONS FROM IT !
I… Think I’m starting to love Bino. he is so amazing.
Just as planned.
I don’t know how…….but the breaking of the fourth wall has been disproved, and it was hilarious.
They just built their own fourth wall between themselves and the *original* fourth wall, and then broke said new one.
I can’t tell if I’m agreeing with your post or not.
Yea me neither.
*Cue Inception Theme*
Did…did they just go a level deeper?
*BRRRRRNNNN*
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! >8D
Same stagehand as in http://www.housepetscomic.com/2010/11/24/true-art-is-weird/
xD Robert Downey Jr. as the guy in the background.
…Come to think of it, I think he’d have almost the perfect voice for Fido D:
I would very much like to see an animated series of this comic, mainly to see if my interpretations of what they all sound like is what they actually would be.
Well i have to hand it to you rick, i did NOT like where this was going back after you got your computer fixed but this comic, THIS comic, made it all better.
i really like this a lot as not only does it negate any 4th wall-smashery but it adds a funny, unexpected, and original twist to the arc.
good show, jolly good show.
i have but one request: Let us see bino naked!
I want to see who Saucy Fox is, unless Saucy Fox is… Fox?!? *insert the stabby music from Psyco* …anyway, I liked this one, I have to admit I’m a bit confused, but that seems to be consensus with this Arc.
Saucy Fox is lost in the gaps between the panels.
Those cursed gaps, i lost a cousin to those gaps.
dog 1 starring himself
dog 2 starring himself
they must feel loved,
I…wot?
Yes.
this sir was an epic win
Love the fourth wall Repair, seriously though didn’t see this coming, i suspected though.
Still wnt to see Bino Naked, Just Saying.
actually this completely negates any broken fourth walls because they never actually happened because of this end
That’s what i meant, but it sounds cosmic the way you say it, so I welcome the correction. haha
They only let us know so little..who are they you ask?
nobody knows
Ah, Yes……….what?
I bet Rick or fan-artists are getting a bunch of requests to draw this “Saucy Fox” right about now…
But she’s right there in “Oops I arced”! You know, when the raccoon says “the low level predators”? Just beyond the edge of the panel!
probably…in fact most likely, of course, I would guess, most of them have already started.
Griffin, Griffin, Griffin, I still think we didn’t know yet about ALL that happened…
Is this something about Inception? I haven’t seen that movie but I heard it’s confusing and that seemed like what it might be about.
Or maybe it’s because the ferrets are monkeying about with reality again. Knowing them, they just hid all the 8th dimensional dice behind the couch again.
Wait… what?
I totally agree with you!
This has been a very amusing demolition of the fourth wall–or was this (at least almost) all within the fourth wall but it didn’t look like it?
Regardless, I hope this arc idea doesn’t get totally abandoned…
Then again, the comment didn’t say “end of arc”…
Is it just me or has Bino gotten crazier and crazier every strip?
In all honesty, I never expected one of the ferrets to be directing this. Nice turn of events, Rick!
Also, lol at the 4th panel
If I knew Bino would get different help for making a movie i totally would have expected the ferret whats-his-name.
Rock, that’s the ferret’s name. kk
I see. Thanks for the info. See, there’s 7 (I think) ferrets and they look too similar for my feeble mind to memorize their names
there are 6: Rock, Keene, Lana, Pit, Simon, and Duke(I looked on the cast list for the names.)
No explanation needed. None whatsoever.
I think SaucyFox is Rick’s convoluted response to this:
http://www.housepetscomic.com/2011/04/15/things-fall-apart/#comment-69591
LOL!
I can only hope…
Huh. it just occurred to me that both Bino and Sasha got approached by Rock for his movies. i wonder what this could mean? o.o
Someone need’s to put Bino in a facility for the mentally deranged.
I don’t see why.
He’s already in Babylon Gardens.
Oh, snap.
Let’s if I got this right. Bino lost his collar. Stuff happened, he wanted to tell the story of what happened, the 4th wall is broken, Rock decides to produce Bino’s tale, they go the path of tropic thunder and decide to film a renactment of a fictional event, the only copy is deleted, they film the non-ficional reanactment of the reanactment of a fictional event, the 4th wall is unbroken, something about Robert Downey Jr… Inception… computer problems… pancakes…
ERROR
ERROR
011100110111100101110011011101000110010101101101001000000111001101101000011101010111010001100100011011110111011101101110
*head explodes*
The fourth wall didn’t break, that was Frank’s computer problem, not Rick’s computer problem.
And what about the consideration of putting Bino in a facility for the mentally deranged? Huh?
It’s probably not necessary to post the same comment multiple times.
Not a break, merely a lampshade notice how he is tagged as “Frank?”
and not “frank”
also clever typing “system shutdown” in binary
Also i’m surprised that Rick is actually doing the comic over spring break. But i’m happy that this will mean more of it and no angry or anticipating fans that just can’t wait for the comic to return after break of which I would probably and most likely part of…
YAY!
why is that surprising. I don’t think Rick is a student, son spring break doesn’t affect him.
if his 2009 talkshoe interview is anything to go by then he’s probably out of school and looking for work or decided to milk his parents and do what his mom wanted and stufy to become a doctor
Whoops study not stufy
Easter break, technically. “Spring” break can fall anytime (if you’ll remember, Canada has it on the first week of March)
Looks like the credits from my music video O_O
Rebbeca black? is that you?
No, I made a music video for Jimmy Eats World, but nobody would help me because it was snowing really hard (I don’t blame them). So, I filmed myself…
oh cool, i didn’t mean that literally though, just saw a chance to poke fun at “friday” :3
This tangled weave of meta layered upon meta with no definitive start or end. Beautifully done, sir. I am truly amazed. That said, this comic could use more Saucy Fox and Robert Downey Jr.
actually as stated before, there is no meta here, this comic negates any fourth wall breaking or meta
Or does it…?
*Twilight zone music*
What. An act? SERIOUSLY?!
seriously?
Ur avatar’s face fits that word perfectly
Wow, the Fourth wall has been abused and destroyed so much during this arc, it will take me a very long time to rebuild it…
don’t worry, they just rebuilt it with this comic.
……………………………………………………………………………………………..Cool.
There are two dogs in the HP universe named Dog #1 & Dog #2.
Those are the best names for a dog, what’s wrong with them? XP
Who’s frank?
If you read the comic, you’ll see it’s presumably the editor.
Whoever it is, it’s definitely not me!
…I think that this comic might be referring to the end of the arc “Noob Tube” (arc #37).
Did anyone else look up recursion?
I did, but I only got a page that linked to itself
(and therefore, had a link within a link and so on.)
Oh no! You’ve created a Paradox!
Also featuring Himself as Himself.
Is it just me or is Bino like a G-rated Eric Cartman… Except likeable.
I think that the best actor was Rock…oh yeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah