In general? A conspiracy is usually only required if a goal is (1) unpopular enough so that mass action is not practical and (2) requires secrecy. Otherwise you have an association, guild, political party, or other pressure group.
A successful conspiracy must remain secret until after it’s goal is achieved and – to avoid counter-activities designed to reverse that goal, replace the eliminated leader, or whatever – will ideally make the outcome it has forced seem like the natural course of events.
Ergo, remaining unknown both before and after the fact is generally a part of a truly successful conspiracy.
The issue of course is that there’s a difference between ‘a conspiracy’ and ‘an ancient conspiracy’ where the second is a Xanatos Gambit that sweeps out longer than the originator is alive for philosophically dubious reasons.
Secrecy is part of being a conspiracy. Part of being a truly successful conspiracy is remaining secret. Ergo, I know of many failed conspiracies. If there are any that have been truly successful that I was not a part of, by definition I will not know of them.
But what about the passage in The Flame of the Pridelands where Jeijan discusses the ruins of Anleth with the high council? That passage leads me to believe that the “ancient conspiracy” is a recent invention, as opposed to a thousand-year organization. The reason it hasn’t been hijacked is that it hadn’t existed.
I had NO idea what she was talking about! ^^ Although Rick, for those who aren’t familiar with The Pridelands you make it short, easy to get, and to the point in the last panel. Brilliant!
If Housepets! becomes as famous as Garfield or Calvin and Hobbes, I will say proudly, “I was one of the very first veiwers of Housepets!”.
this is the exact reason i avoid the sci/fi fantasy genres. i’d much rather spend my time analyzing characters than i would analyzing the inconsistencies of an imaginary universe.
well, you do have to admit that characters are secondary to the universe those sorts of stories create. most people remember the complexity of the star wars universe, not the richness of characters (oh wait there was little of that in star wars)
Ha, true. I also hate that sort of story, although I feel that rejecting the entire genre because of those bits o’ crap is a little extreme. Certain science fiction and fantasy authors can and DO write stories with greater character depth and quality.
well i guess im biased because i tend to like stories that take place in this world. i love to write about real people and real situations that could conceivably happen because i feel those sorts of stories have more of a universality to them than fantasies (this is ironic coming from a self-proclaimed fur, but hey, we all have our inconsistencies).
Ah, but the game is trying to find a way to make all the components of an imaginary universe make sense. That’s why everyone hates a retcon; it spoils the fun…
Thoth, again, seems to hit it right on the head. Where would entertainment be if it didn’t make you think from time to time? Furthermore, where would the mind be if it wasn’t forced to think? Components need to fit and its up to the loyal fans to peace them together.
Panel two’s answer. Because there needs to be an absolute of some kind, otherwise the world would fall to ruin. If not then the world might repeat the same mistakes and evils as Adolf Hitler, Joseph Statlin as suggested by Carl Marks.
…
Sorry, forget I said that.
Sorry, I’m terrible at spelling. I blame my pre-K teacher. That whole “So long as you try, then your right” Philosophy and the “just sound it out” theory messed me up for life.
Oh yea ive had these kind of moments. They can be fun, just sit there and throw ideas off someone else and see where it goes. But beware the deep depths of the mind, you never know what may be lurking. *insert dramatic music*
if I had a penny for every conspiracy theory and every book written that contained one… well I’d have to have a penny for every copy of those books too before I’d be rich, but you get the picture .
awesome! More grape action! And it’s a bit of a feminine grape action. Wish they’d sell ‘Fall of The Pridelands’ near me so I could know what the hell they were talking about though.
Wow, its just amazing how much background information tends to be disconnected in these kind of stories, although I think there should be a real pridelands book to confirm everything Grape said.
Like the invisibility cloak which can be seen through with a properly-enchanted eye but is perfect in the next book? Or which is abruptly revealed to be vastly superior to similar items in a final book, but somehow this has passes unnoticed amongst the students at a school of magic for several prior books?
Exactly my point, lazy writers trying to make ends meet, although I’m not saying the are bad authors. Even if Rick diddnt write a pridelands book it could still be a fan-fiction.
Actually, I was referring to how she ended up writing several in-universe books which were more of a mentioned-in-passing: Quidditch through the Ages Fantastic Bests and Where to Find them
etc.
But isn’t suggesting that people stop analyzing various elements in works of fiction itself predicated on an internal analysis of what elements are worth your concern?
For Housepets pets? Well, since they can’t readily determine each others genders while they’re simply wearing collars, gender-specific clothing would probably be far more suggestive than no clothing at all.
Hm. That one should have been a level-one reply to the previous post, not to yours Argent. Probably the replies acting up again. Hopefully this one will behave.
Hmm. Well, you know that lions are pretty distinctive in their appearance. I mean, male lions have huge freakin’ manes of fur. But eh, who knows. Maybe female lions have manes too, or not. The world may never know.
Depends on the variety – but the ones on the posters did have manes. On the other hand, it’s Grapes cultural expectations that are the determining factor there.
I’ll admit, Even I can’t argue against a hundred lions in tribal gear. they’d beat me senseless, or their rabid fangirls would do it for them. I mean seriously, have you ever seen a fangirl in action? Last time I made a joke about… a certain alpha wolf… around WingedWolfGirl, I almost lost an arm! Sure it was a pretty lame joke, but still!
Since I’ve had some spare time to kill, Spo’s Dossier is currently up over on the forums. It is, once again, currently the last link in the index – now just after Maxwell’s. This one also includes some speculations about pet linguistics… This link should go straight to it if anyone is interested.
I heard some where (it’s been a couple months so I don’t really remember since it was more or less in passing) that they got the calculations or the number wrong or something.
Okay, that’s it! Max, get out of here, I’m brining in Peanut.
He knows a lot about the Pridelands series, too, and he recently bought a Pridelands six-pack costume so that Grape can moon over him (though the outfit shouldn’t be necessary for that, XD).
I know I’m gonna get in a lot of trouble for this, but…
I hate both of those series. Let us hope that Pridelands (and the only PS2 game ever based on it, check the fanart) is much better, and not based on witchcraft or vampires.
Well Grape apparently had chocolate-covered expresso beans with no ill effects.
Given that the housepets universe pets are a great deal closer to humans than real-world pets, I wouldn’t be surprised to find greater metabolic differences too.
Beware the fanservice.
*opens umbrella*
All to your designated fanservice shelters! THIS IS NOT A DRILL! Where’s my orange vest, I’m supposed tobe Fanservice Marshall for this floor!
At least its no “n-ple date” shipping arc… Oh the casualties oh ship to ship combat…
She makes a good point..
About the lions or the intellectuals? Personally I think the lions make the stronger statement. :3
The lions, definitely. .
Love Grape’s cute blush!!
I loved the blush so much it’s mah avatar!
TRIBALS!
Uh-oh… I have competition in the over-analysis department…
It’s hard to evaluate ancient conspiracies though. After all, pretty much by definition you’d never hear about any that were actually successful.
Nice to see that Grape and Maxwell are continuing to get along though. I wonder who’s house they’re at?
and so Rick proves that he can show us all up with merely his characters… show off
What would you call a successful conspiracy then?
In general? A conspiracy is usually only required if a goal is (1) unpopular enough so that mass action is not practical and (2) requires secrecy. Otherwise you have an association, guild, political party, or other pressure group.
A successful conspiracy must remain secret until after it’s goal is achieved and – to avoid counter-activities designed to reverse that goal, replace the eliminated leader, or whatever – will ideally make the outcome it has forced seem like the natural course of events.
Ergo, remaining unknown both before and after the fact is generally a part of a truly successful conspiracy.
The issue of course is that there’s a difference between ‘a conspiracy’ and ‘an ancient conspiracy’ where the second is a Xanatos Gambit that sweeps out longer than the originator is alive for philosophically dubious reasons.
Oh, I personally dount that there have ever been any such conspiracies. I just can’t actually know…
You mean like the various plots throughout history to form a new “roman empire”?
Since we don’t have one, yes.
Secrecy is part of being a conspiracy. Part of being a truly successful conspiracy is remaining secret. Ergo, I know of many failed conspiracies. If there are any that have been truly successful that I was not a part of, by definition I will not know of them.
You know this goes all the way back to Grape’s poster that Peanut proposed was “Eye Candy” LoL
True. So very much true
But what about the passage in The Flame of the Pridelands where Jeijan discusses the ruins of Anleth with the high council? That passage leads me to believe that the “ancient conspiracy” is a recent invention, as opposed to a thousand-year organization. The reason it hasn’t been hijacked is that it hadn’t existed.
Blushing Grape is awesome.
But I want her to blush for Peanut!
Peanut in tribal gear makes a convincing argument all on his own?
*grumbling*
He shouldn’t even need to wear it…
On second thought, Peanut, don’t put that on just yet.
I have to go to the costume shop to find a lion head. No, not a real lion head! *sigh*
I don’t think foam rubber is going to be the solution. Call it a hunch.
I STILL don’t know how they blush through their fur, though. It’s fur, it doesn’t even HAVE blood vessels.
I had NO idea what she was talking about! ^^ Although Rick, for those who aren’t familiar with The Pridelands you make it short, easy to get, and to the point in the last panel. Brilliant!
If Housepets! becomes as famous as Garfield or Calvin and Hobbes, I will say proudly, “I was one of the very first veiwers of Housepets!”.
@_@ 3 letters. the first one is W. I’m in too much of a intellectual shock to think of the other two letters…
o,0… WOW…
this is the exact reason i avoid the sci/fi fantasy genres. i’d much rather spend my time analyzing characters than i would analyzing the inconsistencies of an imaginary universe.
C’mon, it’s not ALL bad!
well, you do have to admit that characters are secondary to the universe those sorts of stories create. most people remember the complexity of the star wars universe, not the richness of characters (oh wait there was little of that in star wars)
True, I mean, where would we be without Jar Jar Binks.
It doesn’t bare thinking about it.
Palpatine would not have come into power as soon…
Ha, true. I also hate that sort of story, although I feel that rejecting the entire genre because of those bits o’ crap is a little extreme. Certain science fiction and fantasy authors can and DO write stories with greater character depth and quality.
You just have to know what you’re looking for.
well i guess im biased because i tend to like stories that take place in this world. i love to write about real people and real situations that could conceivably happen because i feel those sorts of stories have more of a universality to them than fantasies (this is ironic coming from a self-proclaimed fur, but hey, we all have our inconsistencies).
As a wannabe sci-fi writer, I also have my biases.
}:3
You need to read some Iain M. Banks. You’ll never forget Horza Gorbachul or Gray Area or Sleeper Service. You might WANT to forget Gray Area, I admit.
Ah, but the game is trying to find a way to make all the components of an imaginary universe make sense. That’s why everyone hates a retcon; it spoils the fun…
“Lord of the Rings: Revised edition! A special note from Tolkein:
ohai, you guyz. i mad some mistakes in the first too books, so I rewrote them just fro the return of the king.
Buy your retconned copies today! “
Thoth, again, seems to hit it right on the head. Where would entertainment be if it didn’t make you think from time to time? Furthermore, where would the mind be if it wasn’t forced to think? Components need to fit and its up to the loyal fans to peace them together.
Who cares if traveling lightspeed is impossible it’s still totally cool.
You do realize that you are including the Final Fantasy games into that…
Hey, no-one’s [i]forcing[/i] you to analyze anything, Go ahead and focus on the aspects you want to. =P
Saso = 1000 times better then estrogen brigade lions.
Panel two’s answer. Because there needs to be an absolute of some kind, otherwise the world would fall to ruin. If not then the world might repeat the same mistakes and evils as Adolf Hitler, Joseph Statlin as suggested by Carl Marks.
…
Sorry, forget I said that.
This is a comic made for laughs, not for the discussion of religions, politics, and ect… SO Please no one respond to this statement that I made.
Who in the world is Carl Marks?
Carl Marks is Joe “the Mo” Statlin’s straight man in the “Joe and Dolph Holocaust Show”, Jeeze.
Surely you mean “Karl Marx”…
Sorry, I’m terrible at spelling. I blame my pre-K teacher. That whole “So long as you try, then your right” Philosophy and the “just sound it out” theory messed me up for life.
Oh yea ive had these kind of moments. They can be fun, just sit there and throw ideas off someone else and see where it goes. But beware the deep depths of the mind, you never know what may be lurking. *insert dramatic music*
Max, i hope to see you match wits with Grape someday =3
but i seem to be more interested in whose fireplace that belongs to o_O
Grape’s face in the last panel is disturbing
….agreed.
Hari Seldon rides again!
And here I thought that when he fell off the Mule kicked him.
So …Wait what? Pridelands is a real book?
I’m afraid not.
Conspiracies are, however, a real problem with a lot of books.
if I had a penny for every conspiracy theory and every book written that contained one… well I’d have to have a penny for every copy of those books too before I’d be rich, but you get the picture
.
That’s one cute blush :3
Yep.
Makes it look like Grape Jelly’s got a little strawberry on her. ;3
hey, Max’s ear is whole now, or is it just my impression?
It does look that way in the first panel, although we could just be seeing it edge-on, and thus be unable to make out the missing bits.
Panels three and four it looks like we’re seeing the inside of the remainder of his ear through the bite.
Silly now it’s not … look closer. It just looks whole from this angle.
…and I seemed to royally screw that one over. My bad.
awesome! More grape action! And it’s a bit of a feminine grape action. Wish they’d sell ‘Fall of The Pridelands’ near me so I could know what the hell they were talking about though.
LOL i wish i knew what she was talking about T_T
hundreds of lions in tribal gear? XD yup, thats Grape =P
So….many,,,,,words…..
My thoughts exactly…
I like your avatar by the way.
Thank you ! ^//^
Hey yeah! Pretty much what I thought when I got here:
“New year, new storyline! Yay!
“Wait, uber wall of text? Argh! ”
Oh well, it’s funny, nonetheless. Rick, we forgive you
Wow, its just amazing how much background information tends to be disconnected in these kind of stories, although I think there should be a real pridelands book to confirm everything Grape said.
Oh, I doubt it. Rick may be as great as he is, but he’s no JK Rowling
Like the invisibility cloak which can be seen through with a properly-enchanted eye but is perfect in the next book? Or which is abruptly revealed to be vastly superior to similar items in a final book, but somehow this has passes unnoticed amongst the students at a school of magic for several prior books?
Exactly my point, lazy writers trying to make ends meet, although I’m not saying the are bad authors. Even if Rick diddnt write a pridelands book it could still be a fan-fiction.
Actually, I was referring to how she ended up writing several in-universe books which were more of a mentioned-in-passing:
Quidditch through the Ages
Fantastic Bests and Where to Find them
etc.
Bah! I hate it when people over analyse works of fiction. I don’t care were Prime’s trailer goes, it just does!
But the comic is funny none the less.
Wait, you mean how Grape rambles on about Pridelands? or how we ramble on about Grape’s rambling?
But isn’t suggesting that people stop analyzing various elements in works of fiction itself predicated on an internal analysis of what elements are worth your concern?
AHHHHH! there is no escape!
Of course!
You favorite character in underdressed attire is always a wining argument.
:#3
Does this mean that 100 normal lions is just 100 normal lions but the moment they put on some tribal outfits it turns into kitty fanservice?
Totally. Leather is more naked than naked.
For Housepets pets? Well, since they can’t readily determine each others genders while they’re simply wearing collars, gender-specific clothing would probably be far more suggestive than no clothing at all.
Sure. Just look at Bugs Bunny.
Hm. That one should have been a level-one reply to the previous post, not to yours Argent. Probably the replies acting up again. Hopefully this one will behave.
@Thoth
I dunno, I think that turned out pretty well. I honestly thought that was how it was supposed to be until I read otherwise. XD
But yeah, it’s easier to tell what gender a character is by if they’re hinting at it (clothing, pose, etc.) than if they’re not.
I have Peanut’s original assumption of Grape to back me up
Hmm. Well, you know that lions are pretty distinctive in their appearance. I mean, male lions have huge freakin’ manes of fur. But eh, who knows. Maybe female lions have manes too, or not. The world may never know.
Depends on the variety – but the ones on the posters did have manes. On the other hand, it’s Grapes cultural expectations that are the determining factor there.
… have you recently read Isaac Asimov’s Foundation recently or something? seriously you just sad the whole plot of the series.
I can’t believe no one noticed this, but there is a typo in the alt text:
“Of course Miss Auburn could circumvent the entire problem if it turns out the the old gods had survived the — *gasp* that’s it! To the internet!”
do tell
oh wait, I see… looks like it’s fixed already… man, double the the is so hard to notice XD
Max is probably like, “Should I be feeling jelous now?”
LOL at that
I’ll admit, Even I can’t argue against a hundred lions in tribal gear. they’d beat me senseless, or their rabid fangirls would do it for them. I mean seriously, have you ever seen a fangirl in action? Last time I made a joke about… a certain alpha wolf… around WingedWolfGirl, I almost lost an arm! Sure it was a pretty lame joke, but still!
I…
don’t remember that.
maybe tis a good thing that I don’t.
Yeah, fury can do that to ya.
Maxwell is now up over in the Character Dossiers thread:
http://www.housepetscomic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=199
The (currently) last index link should take anyone who’s interested right to that post.
Grape fourth panel= lol and AWWW
I love that blush!!
And she is right, they do make a good argument….:D
I agree with her statement in the last panel!
Needs more lion!
0.0 WOW
Since I’ve had some spare time to kill, Spo’s Dossier is currently up over on the forums. It is, once again, currently the last link in the index – now just after Maxwell’s. This one also includes some speculations about pet linguistics… This link should go straight to it if anyone is interested.
http://www.housepetscomic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=199&start=35
“DEEP Thoughts” – by Grape!
Gah! Now I have Hitchhikers’ Guide on the brain!
“…and the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything is… 42.”
I heard some where (it’s been a couple months so I don’t really remember since it was more or less in passing) that they got the calculations or the number wrong or something.
Oh my goodness, Grape’s a perv!
Welcome to the Club!
I think she’s just some regular femme-fanatic. I’ve seen many women moon over obviously painted 6-packs at the movies.
Okay, that’s it! Max, get out of here, I’m brining in Peanut.
He knows a lot about the Pridelands series, too, and he recently bought a Pridelands six-pack costume so that Grape can moon over him (though the outfit shouldn’t be necessary for that, XD).
Need More Jo…King.
ok so is the pridelands a real series or did you just make a generic overanalyzed fiction series as a plot device.
I believe it’s the latter. Although, Rick, if you ever decide to write up the whole pridelands shebang, reserve me an extra copy, mkay?
Speaking of writeups, did he ever post that story explaining what happened between King and Bino before the party?
I think it’s the Harry Potter/Twilight generic popular book series of Housepets! Plus, the lions probably don’t sparkle, so that’s a big plus.
I know I’m gonna get in a lot of trouble for this, but…
I hate both of those series. Let us hope that Pridelands (and the only PS2 game ever based on it, check the fanart) is much better, and not based on witchcraft or vampires.
Please, no more vampires!
I’d equate it more with the Firekeeper trilogy.
Is Max drinking hot cocoa? Cats can have chocolate??
could be warm milk ^_-
Tea, perhaps?
Well Grape apparently had chocolate-covered expresso beans with no ill effects.
Given that the housepets universe pets are a great deal closer to humans than real-world pets, I wouldn’t be surprised to find greater metabolic differences too.
I just realized this, but…
*GASP!* Max has an actual chin!
Maybe that’s why Grape’s so into him.